Comments on: How to get the Maternity Immunisation Allowance without getting your kids vaccinated. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/ Contains Reason. Not Excuses. Thu, 10 May 2012 04:13:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michelle http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-148270 Michelle Thu, 10 May 2012 04:13:10 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-148270 Great post Louisa! You have clearly gone into your research with an OPEN mind, looking for what is best for your child - unlike others who only regard as credible, 'information' that supports their bias. I read lines like "leeching off the rest of us who do comply thereby benefiting from they herd immunity we provide" and cringe that people still believe herd immunity is real! My whole life I believed in that concept too, until I became informed of not just the risks of vaccination, but the efficacy (lack of) of vaccines. While people remain so emotive about it and refuse to see or discuss the facts, the manufacturers of these products will continue to get away with not bothering to put money behind making them more safe or effective. And yet continue to be one of the most profitable and influential industries. As for claiming your child's entitlement as per government rules - no fraud required, a) it's not exactly obvious that you can claim the "Maternity Immunisation Allowance" if you don't vaccinate your baby, and b) most parents I know aren't out there trying to "prove a point", they're doing what they believe best for their children and they are liable to pay the same taxes as everyone else. And considering GP visits are covered for free but homeopath visits are not, those being proactive with their health (who rarely see the inside of a GP's room) need all the financial assistance they can get. Great post Louisa! You have clearly gone into your research with an OPEN mind, looking for what is best for your child – unlike others who only regard as credible, ‘information’ that supports their bias. I read lines like “leeching off the rest of us who do comply thereby benefiting from they herd immunity we provide” and cringe that people still believe herd immunity is real! My whole life I believed in that concept too, until I became informed of not just the risks of vaccination, but the efficacy (lack of) of vaccines.

While people remain so emotive about it and refuse to see or discuss the facts, the manufacturers of these products will continue to get away with not bothering to put money behind making them more safe or effective. And yet continue to be one of the most profitable and influential industries.

As for claiming your child’s entitlement as per government rules – no fraud required, a) it’s not exactly obvious that you can claim the “Maternity Immunisation Allowance” if you don’t vaccinate your baby, and b) most parents I know aren’t out there trying to “prove a point”, they’re doing what they believe best for their children and they are liable to pay the same taxes as everyone else. And considering GP visits are covered for free but homeopath visits are not, those being proactive with their health (who rarely see the inside of a GP’s room) need all the financial assistance they can get.

]]> By: Maggie http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-88636 Maggie Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:38:10 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-88636 <blockquote>Don’t make the mistake of assuming those who don’t vaccinate are negligent or ignorant. We’re more well read on this subject than 90% of you lot!</blockquote> So you've just told me not to assume you haven't done your research yet are happy to say 90% of "us" are not well read. Right... . As for the rest of your post, nonsense, wrong and full of anti-vax canards. You may have done your research but you haven't been reading accurate, science-based information.

Don’t make the mistake of assuming those who don’t vaccinate are negligent or ignorant. We’re more well read on this subject than 90% of you lot!

So you’ve just told me not to assume you haven’t done your research yet are happy to say 90% of “us” are not well read. Right…

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As for the rest of your post, nonsense, wrong and full of anti-vax canards. You may have done your research but you haven’t been reading accurate, science-based information.

]]> By: Louisa http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-88632 Louisa Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:59:00 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-88632 I am one of those "irresponsible, negligent" parents who has chosen, after many long nights & countless hours of research, NOT to vaccinate my daughter. . Vaccinations are yet to be proven even 90% effective, have highly toxic substances used as ingredients (formaldehyde, Thimerosol & aluminium of various grades) which are PROVEN dangerous when ingested or injected by humans. . I await the day when a new series of vaccines will be introduced minus these toxic ingredients & think it is pathetic & lazy that this process has barely been started. You will find the reason most people are ANTI-vax is because of these ingredients. Why not solve the issue from the ground up istead? . In the meantime, I work closely with a Naturopath & Homeopath, putting my daughter on a strict Homeoprophylaxis schedule & series of Immune Boosting and Building Vitamins and Minerals. . Immune systems are not built up or sustained by the ingredients found in a needle; they never have been nor will they ever be. . I had chicken pox as a child = immunity. My DH had measles = immunity. Armed with a great deal more knowledge about health & immune function than most people on here have demonstrated, I sleep well at night knowing that my daughter has been exposed to whooping cough, various gastro-intestinal illnesses, flu, chicken pox and she has never been sick. And she's not even a year old yet so is still highly susceptible to the dangers of these infectious diseases. . If all the arguments (some well read, other clearly not at all) presented here were true, then she should be very sick with any one of the things she has been exposed to. . Fact: She isn't. Fact: She isn't vaccinated. Fact: She IS immunised. They are two different things. Fact: Needles have never been nor will EVER be what protects the health of man kind. Fact: Immune systems aren't built from drugs. They're built from health. Fact: Read up on this: http://www.doctoryourself.com/megakid.html AND http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinical_guide_1988.htm AND http://vitamincfoundation.org/stone/ . ...before you go accusing those of us who choose to be FULLY informed of ALL sides of the equation and then decide NOT to vaccinate. . There's more to health & immunity than what the Chemists, Doctors & pharmaceutical companies tell us. I choose to find out more instead of placing the health of my family in the hands of companies who's products aren't even 90% effective, thankyou! . And before you ask, yes, I am refusing the government bribes trying to force me to vaccinate or register as an objector. . Any other company tried to do that & it would be consider anti-competitive & would be illegal. . Don't make the mistake of assuming those who don't vaccinate are negligent or ignorant. We're more well read on this subject than 90% of you lot! I am one of those “irresponsible, negligent” parents who has chosen, after many long nights & countless hours of research, NOT to vaccinate my daughter.
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Vaccinations are yet to be proven even 90% effective, have highly toxic substances used as ingredients (formaldehyde, Thimerosol & aluminium of various grades) which are PROVEN dangerous when ingested or injected by humans.
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I await the day when a new series of vaccines will be introduced minus these toxic ingredients & think it is pathetic & lazy that this process has barely been started. You will find the reason most people are ANTI-vax is because of these ingredients. Why not solve the issue from the ground up istead?
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In the meantime, I work closely with a Naturopath & Homeopath, putting my daughter on a strict Homeoprophylaxis schedule & series of Immune Boosting and Building Vitamins and Minerals.
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Immune systems are not built up or sustained by the ingredients found in a needle; they never have been nor will they ever be.
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I had chicken pox as a child = immunity. My DH had measles = immunity. Armed with a great deal more knowledge about health & immune function than most people on here have demonstrated, I sleep well at night knowing that my daughter has been exposed to whooping cough, various gastro-intestinal illnesses, flu, chicken pox and she has never been sick. And she’s not even a year old yet so is still highly susceptible to the dangers of these infectious diseases.
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If all the arguments (some well read, other clearly not at all) presented here were true, then she should be very sick with any one of the things she has been exposed to.
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Fact: She isn’t.
Fact: She isn’t vaccinated.
Fact: She IS immunised. They are two different things.
Fact: Needles have never been nor will EVER be what protects the health of man kind.
Fact: Immune systems aren’t built from drugs. They’re built from health.
Fact: Read up on this: http://www.doctoryourself.com/megakid.html
AND http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinical_guide_1988.htm
AND http://vitamincfoundation.org/stone/
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…before you go accusing those of us who choose to be FULLY informed of ALL sides of the equation and then decide NOT to vaccinate.
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There’s more to health & immunity than what the Chemists, Doctors & pharmaceutical companies tell us. I choose to find out more instead of placing the health of my family in the hands of companies who’s products aren’t even 90% effective, thankyou!
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And before you ask, yes, I am refusing the government bribes trying to force me to vaccinate or register as an objector.
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Any other company tried to do that & it would be consider anti-competitive & would be illegal.
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Don’t make the mistake of assuming those who don’t vaccinate are negligent or ignorant. We’re more well read on this subject than 90% of you lot!

]]> By: » Australian Gov: vaccinate or lose benefits. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-87915 » Australian Gov: vaccinate or lose benefits. Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:39:37 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-87915 [...] is whether this effects the current options for conscientious objectors. Under the current system, you can still get the money even if you don’t vaccination if you identify as a conscientious objector. Excerpt from the [...] [...] is whether this effects the current options for conscientious objectors. Under the current system, you can still get the money even if you don’t vaccination if you identify as a conscientious objector. Excerpt from the [...]

]]> By: miranda http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-31273 miranda Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:20:58 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-31273 Oh yeah also the autism debate is over... 18 international trials with a total of half a million people have shown that MMR doesn't give your kids autism. Latest research says that the older the father the higher the chance of autism,(and schitzophrenia) and 1980s research says post natal depression can increase the chances of it too. That's becasue the pnd mother isn't connected emotionally with the kid and thats where emotional communication first develops. Perhaps the correlation of autism in kids with mums with PND could be compared in western countries. Politically incorrect but a good phd topic I would think. Oh yeah also the autism debate is over… 18 international trials with a total of half a million people have shown that MMR doesn’t give your kids autism. Latest research says that the older the father the higher the chance of autism,(and schitzophrenia) and 1980s research says post natal depression can increase the chances of it too. That’s becasue the pnd mother isn’t connected emotionally with the kid and thats where emotional communication first develops. Perhaps the correlation of autism in kids with mums with PND could be compared in western countries. Politically incorrect but a good phd topic I would think.

]]> By: miranda http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-31270 miranda Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:11:30 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-31270 It's just a matter of time before a pregnant woman proves that she came into contact with an unvacc kid with the measles and her foetus is disabled because of this. Sadly, we need a law suit like this to shake some sense into the non-vacc parents neglecting their kids and community's well being. Pregnant women have every right to know when they're hanging out with non- vacc kids who are putting her foetus at huge risk of miscarriage. As for non vaccers taking taxpayers cash, well I conscientiously object to that and my state and fed MP is going to hear about it. Get angry people, for everyone's long term health, it's your civic duty. It’s just a matter of time before a pregnant woman proves that she came into contact with an unvacc kid with the measles and her foetus is disabled because of this. Sadly, we need a law suit like this to shake some sense into the non-vacc parents neglecting their kids and community’s well being. Pregnant women have every right to know when they’re hanging out with non- vacc kids who are putting her foetus at huge risk of miscarriage. As for non vaccers taking taxpayers cash, well I conscientiously object to that and my state and fed MP is going to hear about it. Get angry people, for everyone’s long term health, it’s your civic duty.

]]> By: Fred Mortgan http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-11562 Fred Mortgan Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:27:20 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-11562 While I am not convinced of either argument, I find it interesting that people think it "ethical" to not take the money if they don't have their kids vaccinated. So people object, for whatever reason, and they should not get any money, but pay for you to have your kids vaccinated. Surely if you believe so strongly that vaccinations are the right thing to do, then the 200bucks should be worth it. Surely the right thing to do is NOT take the money if you believe in vaccinations, after all, you would get it done even if they weren't giving you free money to do it. While I am not convinced of either argument, I find it interesting that people think it “ethical” to not take the money if they don’t have their kids vaccinated. So people object, for whatever reason, and they should not get any money, but pay for you to have your kids vaccinated. Surely if you believe so strongly that vaccinations are the right thing to do, then the 200bucks should be worth it. Surely the right thing to do is NOT take the money if you believe in vaccinations, after all, you would get it done even if they weren’t giving you free money to do it.

]]> By: Justathought http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-11556 Justathought Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:58:06 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-11556 Re. the comments for this article: Could these "links" to detected Austism cases and the supposed correlatable increases maybe be that as a society we are more aware of and detect autism at a higher rate than that which it was previously diagnosed? Aside from that point, the fact that a monetary incentive needs to be offered to entice people to fully immunise their children is the saddest part of this article. Re. the comments for this article: Could these “links” to detected Austism cases and the supposed correlatable increases maybe be that as a society we are more aware of and detect autism at a higher rate than that which it was previously diagnosed?

Aside from that point, the fact that a monetary incentive needs to be offered to entice people to fully immunise their children is the saddest part of this article.

]]> By: » I object to this reading material. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8608 » I object to this reading material. Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:59:50 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-8608 [...] for religious reasons or because of misinformation spread by anti-vax groups such as the AVN. In a scheme introduced in 1997, parents who completed the government schedule for childhood vaccinations received a one of payment [...] [...] for religious reasons or because of misinformation spread by anti-vax groups such as the AVN. In a scheme introduced in 1997, parents who completed the government schedule for childhood vaccinations received a one of payment [...]

]]> By: » A brief report from today’s debate. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-1465 » A brief report from today’s debate. Sat, 02 May 2009 12:08:21 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=584#comment-1465 [...] course she was referring to the Maternity Immunisation Allowance scheme introduced in 1997, which they also get access to by the way). Professor McIntyre is a professor and researcher scientist, not a GP, therefore he [...] [...] course she was referring to the Maternity Immunisation Allowance scheme introduced in 1997, which they also get access to by the way). Professor McIntyre is a professor and researcher scientist, not a GP, therefore he [...]

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