Comments on: Channel 7 and the anti-vaxers; the story so far. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/ Contains Reason. Not Excuses. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:23:59 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: Skep dick http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-9382 Skep dick Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:39:26 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-9382 Very interesting to read these through. I seriously don't know why someone doesn't have a proper debate through a chanel like ABCs question show or something along those lines. Channel 7 is garbage. Anyone who watches today tonight, ACA or Sunday night wouldn't know good journalism if it hit them over the head. Very interesting to read these through.
I seriously don’t know why someone doesn’t have a proper debate through a chanel like ABCs question show or something along those lines. Channel 7 is garbage. Anyone who watches today tonight, ACA or Sunday night wouldn’t know good journalism if it hit them over the head.

]]> By: » Parents refuse chemotherapy for mud treatment. http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-5754 » Parents refuse chemotherapy for mud treatment. Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:23:01 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-5754 [...] This story was covered on Channel 7s Sunday Night programme, the same one that covered the death of Dana McCaffery and the anti-vaxers back in April. You can read my previous blogs about this here and here. [...] [...] This story was covered on Channel 7s Sunday Night programme, the same one that covered the death of Dana McCaffery and the anti-vaxers back in April. You can read my previous blogs about this here and here. [...]

]]> By: mddawson http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 mddawson Tue, 19 May 2009 03:44:30 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1689 Recent articles into autism research: Vitamin D deficiency: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism Enlarged Amygdala: http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/research-toddlers-with-autism-have-enlarged-amygdala-in-brain Testosterone in womb: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/01January/Pages/Autismscreening.aspx Recent articles into autism research:

Vitamin D deficiency: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism

Enlarged Amygdala:
http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/research-toddlers-with-autism-have-enlarged-amygdala-in-brain

Testosterone in womb: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/01January/Pages/Autismscreening.aspx

]]> By: Maggie http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1673 Maggie Sun, 17 May 2009 13:20:05 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1673 @AndyD, I had a very brief look at PubMed and found a <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18425890?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">Cochrane Review</a> from April 2008. AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS: Research has shown of high rates of use of complementary and alternative therapies (CAM) for children with autism including gluten and/or casein exclusion diets. Current evidence for efficacy of these diets is poor. Large scale, good quality randomised controlled trials are needed. I will need to read the rest of the review more thoroughly, but what is clear is that "the included trials did not share common outcome measures and therefore no meta-analysis was possible". @AndyD,

I had a very brief look at PubMed and found a Cochrane Review from April 2008.

AUTHORS’ CONCLUSIONS: Research has shown of high rates of use of complementary and alternative therapies (CAM) for children with autism including gluten and/or casein exclusion diets. Current evidence for efficacy of these diets is poor. Large scale, good quality randomised controlled trials are needed.

I will need to read the rest of the review more thoroughly, but what is clear is that “the included trials did not share common outcome measures and therefore no meta-analysis was possible”.

]]> By: AndyD http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1671 AndyD Sun, 17 May 2009 09:51:22 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1671 Dr Rachie, could you comment on the latest blog link (or whatever it's called) from "Unique Autism Experiments..." above? It links to a page apparently pushing the GFCF (gluten-free, casein-free) diet which I thought had been pretty much debunked as a treatment for autism. Is there new science here or is this the same old "solution" that's been bandied about for a while? Dr Rachie, could you comment on the latest blog link (or whatever it’s called) from “Unique Autism Experiments…” above? It links to a page apparently pushing the GFCF (gluten-free, casein-free) diet which I thought had been pretty much debunked as a treatment for autism. Is there new science here or is this the same old “solution” that’s been bandied about for a while?

]]> By: Unique Autism Experiments Offer Parents Hope http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1626 Unique Autism Experiments Offer Parents Hope Wed, 13 May 2009 09:59:15 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1626 [...] » Channel 7 and the anti-vaxers; the story so far. [...] [...] » Channel 7 and the anti-vaxers; the story so far. [...]

]]> By: Vaccines and formaldehyde « Science Notes http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1582 Vaccines and formaldehyde « Science Notes Thu, 07 May 2009 03:01:16 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1582 [...] event that inspired the writer to research formaldehyde and anti-vaccine sentiment was the death of a small baby in Australia from whooping cough (pertussis). She was too young to be vaccinated but if the people around her were vaccinated [...] [...] event that inspired the writer to research formaldehyde and anti-vaccine sentiment was the death of a small baby in Australia from whooping cough (pertussis). She was too young to be vaccinated but if the people around her were vaccinated [...]

]]> By: wombatwal http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1534 wombatwal Mon, 04 May 2009 03:55:09 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1534 Missed the show last night but just saw it on the internet. I was very dissapointed in the Professor when he was specifically asked about the risks in vaccination he completely ignored this and spoke about the success of vaccination. This sort of answering does not help the general public in making up there minds objectively if to vaccinate or not. The whole show was light weight, I suppose all you can expect from the commercial TV rubbish stations we have in this country. The professor did not challenge the anti vaccers, he did not give any good arguments in favour of vaccination. I thought he was hopeless. The women GP anti vaccer was just as hopeless if not more so, she had nothing to say. I was very dissapointed. Total waste of effort I thought. This could have been a good forum. Missed the show last night but just saw it on the internet.
I was very dissapointed in the Professor when he was specifically asked about the risks in vaccination he completely ignored this and spoke about the success of vaccination. This sort of answering does not help the general public in making up there minds objectively if to vaccinate or not.
The whole show was light weight, I suppose all you can expect from the commercial TV rubbish stations we have in this country.
The professor did not challenge the anti vaccers, he did not give any good arguments in favour of vaccination. I thought he was hopeless.
The women GP anti vaccer was just as hopeless if not more so, she had nothing to say.
I was very dissapointed. Total waste of effort I thought.
This could have been a good forum.

]]> By: Sean the Blogonaut http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1522 Sean the Blogonaut Sun, 03 May 2009 13:39:28 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1522 No it was a spelling mistake which I noticed three times yet still managed to miss changing. I have read your comments. I think we would have benefited from you articulating your case in in one coherent post. I found the debate(on the TV) to pretty ho hum myself, I don't think it did anyone any good or made it clearer for anyone. No it was a spelling mistake which I noticed three times yet still managed to miss changing.

I have read your comments. I think we would have benefited from you articulating your case in in one coherent post.

I found the debate(on the TV) to pretty ho hum myself, I don’t think it did anyone any good or made it clearer for anyone.

]]> By: Louise http://scepticsbook.com/2009/04/29/anti-vaxers-the-story-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1517 Louise Sun, 03 May 2009 13:15:12 +0000 http://scepticsbook.com/?p=1124#comment-1517 Have to be brief in my reply because i'm so tired my eyes are dry and closing.... I began a law degree whilst pregnant with my first child at the age of 19 and completed same as a sole-parent. I also studied accounting (by correspondence) to ensure my brain didn't turn to mush after pregnancy. I know what hard work it is better than most. I've posted many comments about my position under 'A Brief Report from Today's Debate'. Seeya P.S. I hope calling me 'Lousie' was a joke ;-) Have to be brief in my reply because i’m so tired my eyes are dry and closing….
I began a law degree whilst pregnant with my first child at the age of 19 and completed same as a sole-parent. I also studied accounting (by correspondence) to ensure my brain didn’t turn to mush after pregnancy. I know what hard work it is better than most.
I’ve posted many comments about my position under ‘A Brief Report from Today’s Debate’.
Seeya
P.S. I hope calling me ‘Lousie’ was a joke ;-)

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