http://menopause.gaia.com/blog/2008/1/hpv_vaccine_alternative_view

So again – did you read any of these or just cut and paste the list?

“Also how do you explain the 1300% increase in Autism in developed countries?”

Pay attention. People have answered this question OVER and OVER and OVER. You apparently either are not listening or you don’t like the answer, so you ignore it.

The number of conditions that are diagnosed as “autism” has increased over the years as the medical community has learned more. The rate of diagnosed autism cases has risen as a result of more conditions being included in the autism spectrum. The question has been asked and answered. I fail to see why you can’t comprehend this. This cannot be the first time you’ve been given the answer to the question, yet you keep asking it over and over and over!

Just once I’d like to see even one of you anti-vax people actually listen to an answer to one of your questions. Go do the research! You claim you and only you seem to be able to do simple research: prove it.

@ where are the facts – you didn’t read a single one of those papers did you? Do you even have access through the paywalls? I do. I think I’d like to see you summarize those papers and explain how a paper from 1983 discusses the effectiveness or dangers of Gardasil? For that matter, since Gardasil was released for general use only in 2006, perhaps you could explain the relevance of all of your citations to the vaccine that date prior to the vaccines release?

Where is your sense of human decency? Your comments are the most hateful and hurtful words that any grieving parent could read.

As Dana’s parents, we are absolutely outraged that groups such as the AVN are intent on proving that Pertussis did not kill her and is not dangerous. We expected opposition to vaccination, but it is unacceptable and despicable that we have to ‘prove’ that Pertussis killed her. Haven’t we suffered enough – now we have to defend the very thing that killed her.

We are outraged that without our knowledge, Meryl Dorey rang the Director of the NCAHS Public Health Unit on 12 March seeking details on Dana’s death and contended the department had misled the public.

Even after I told Meryl what happened to Dana at the debate, a few weeks afterwards I found an AVN blog with members making false claims that stated they had information she was sick from birth, immune-compromised from the HiB vaccine or died as a result of the antibiotics or medical treatment she received.

Not only is no-one privy to this information, it is wrong and extremely distressing. In the latest Living Wisdom, Meryl got every fact wrong about Dana – her age, when she died, where she might have caught it, when the last death was and uses language to downplay the seriousness.

I am pleading with the AVN to leave my beautiful daughter alone and stop this misleading chatter. And I plead to other parents, please do not expose your child to this dangerous disease.

Don’t you think as Dana’s parents, watching every agonising moment of her death, we would know what killed her. We undertook extensive research and spoke with the specialists over several weeks to understand what happened.

Let me be very clear. She was born in perfect health, was breastfed and was putting on weight. Nothing is sacred. We decided to speak out after reading comments in media and blog sites that dismissed the severity of whooping cough, claims of ‘only one baby’, criticisms that we had not acted quickly and that I had not passed on immunity to Dana through breastfeeding.

Reading this blog is almost too much to bear!

Let me be very, very clear – Pertussis can and does kill 1 in 200 babies. Sadly, THREE babies have died in Australia this year – we are the only family to go public and I wouldn’t recommend it. If your baby is ‘the one’ – it is unstoppable.

The intensive care experts were in contact with experts all around the world and tried everything. I stood and watched them try to save her and did the unthinkable and wished she had cancer instead, because maybe then she would have had a chance.

Meryl might call what we have done a fear campaign. We call it a reality check. We only wished someone had warned us of the epidemic as we would have done everything in our power to protect Dana from catching it.

We saw the healthiest, most beautiful baby suffer the most agonising death – and there was nothing we could do.

We will not stand by and let this happen to another family.

Please STOP DEBATING our daughter’s death. Show some respect and leave Dana in peace. We are so sorry we have exposed our beautiful girl to such hurtful people.

Can you please detail what you mean by the following;

“…on pubmed all studies showing that vaccination was not good for you only listed the magazines to go reference, yet looking for articles that claim vaccinations are safe are all there to be read.”

Do you mean you had to have a subscription to read the bad-vax articles? Can you provide an example please? I am surprised by this, since most journals require a subscription and this is independent on the type/tone of the article.

Also, you mention that you do not use homeopathy as an alternative to vaccination. AndyD may have used this example since Meryl Dorey has stated that she used it to treat whooping cough in her children (he can confirm this).

Finally, any particular reason why you have included a long list of articles about Gardisil?

Not that I’m aware of, but they do claim various conspiracies whenever it suits them, e.g. snippets from Meryl Dorey, National President, Australian Vaccination Network:

“Our governments are all in the pockets of Monsanto and the like”

“This is not journalism, this is marketing and Channel 7 is nothing more than a paid stooge for Big Pharma.”

“This is the sort of nonsense these ‘medical experts’ are spreading – the sort of dangerous, illogical treatments they are pushing. And their word is law – and our side gets no credibility despite having the information and research on our side.”

This vilification of the medical community is simply sociopathic when we compare our quality of life to that of our great-grandparents. Where is the proper research from anti-vaccination groups that they claim to have? Once again, for the umpteenth time, I’d love to see it.

The AVN clearly promote the Big Pharma conspiracy, remain closed to all evidence that threatens their belief system, and therefore one can safely conclude that they are on the whole irrational, and should not be taken seriously. Not exactly an equal authority Vs. authority or reference Vs reference now, is it.