Comments on: The full complaint to the HCCC about the Australian Vaccination Network.

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» AVN website suspended due to ‘legal complaint’ — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 08:29:22 +0000

[...] anything at the moment. There are numerous complaints pending about the organisation, including an ongoing investigation by the Health Care Complaints Commission for spreading bad health advice and one with the Office of [...]

By: scep dick

scep dick — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:29:34 +0000

You know what bugs me most about the autism arguement either way? It’s that you cant really ever accurately ‘test’ for autism anyway. My nephew is autistic and it takes ages for them to diagnose. And its just related to certain signs he shows. And it’s just someone’s opinion. Its not like you can physically test autism as a whole – just parts of it. And they even say now ‘autism-like symptoms’ or ‘spectrum’rather than stereotyping someone with autism. So how can they accurately run accurate or unbiased studies looking for the link between vaccines and the syndrome? No one can.
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Notice I said ‘vaccines’ and not ‘MMR’. Its not just one but the 36 (up 360% from when I was a kid) that need to be questioned. Why isn’t one whooping cough vaccine enough? It used to be touted by Drs as ‘Get one and you’re protected for life’. Then two. Then three. Then four. Is it five now? When is it going to stop? Weekly injections? DIY kit? Doesn’t anyone wonder why our kids need so many (and now adults?).
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I think we need to take a long hard look at the health of the world, particularly 1st world countries like the US, Australia, NZ, UK, and even developing countries like China (who are striving to be more ‘western’). According to many the following diseases are on the rise;
Cancer, cardiovaccular disease, adult and childhood diabetes, allergies, obesity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, alzhiemers, autism, skin disorders, kidney disease, mental health problems, osteoporosis, chronic fatigue. God the list goes on and on.
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Do you think more drugs and pharmacueticals are going to fix this?
Maybe another vaccine to add to the ever-growing number we already jab people with?!
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When sceptics talk about the growth in industries like homeopathy, natropathy and alternative health in general there is a reason for it. Its not because these therapist are great at marketing and have huge budgets to advertise their wares (its usually the opposite of both) its because people WANT it. Consumers wants to feel better and look better and their bodies to work they way they are supposed to. Consumers are leading the market. They are tired and sick of feeling sick and tired and they dont want to turn to drugs for every ache and pain. If diet and lifestyle can change some health issues there is no reason why they can’t help all of them. The body wants to be well, not have symptoms dulled by medication.
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Just as a side note which is completlely unrelated to vaccinations or sciencey stuff – a japanese airline has just been found faking thier safety tests on thier seats. A wistleblower alerted the authorities. It shows that any study or test can be falsified.

By: kill3rTcell

kill3rTcell — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:33:34 +0000

I love that Bernice never actually answers AndyD’s main question.

How is it possible for someone to hold two contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time and not notice it? I know people do it, but it always amazes me.

By: Meryl

Meryl — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:03:36 +0000

Here is the AVN response

http://avn.org.au/library/images/pdfs/hccc_reply.pdf

By: DT

DT — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:12:02 +0000

Feels like a good of the gaps discussion going on here

By: AndyD

AndyD — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:02:33 +0000

“Sure, I would agree that it would be necessary to match the two groups for potentially harmful factors such as chemical exposure, but why would factors such as whether a person eats meat or visits a GP be relevant, unless of course you are mooting these as possible causes of autoimmune diabetes or autism.”
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There is not, to my knowledge, any proof that red meat doesn’t cause autism. I don’t have to put it forward as a risk to consider it an important difference in a trial of two groups in which another unknown cause of autism is under the spotlight.
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AND, for the FOURTH time “Beyond the timing of the onset of symptoms, and given that millions and millions of vaccinated kids show no ill effects, what evidence is there that vaccines DO cause autism?”

By: bernice l.

bernice l. — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:18:30 +0000

Andy D,
You said: “Comparing vaxed and invexed kids would be a great idea if it were possible to isolate all other possible differences.” I acknowledge the point you are trying to make, that’s exactly the reason I didn’t “talk about the Amish”, but why would you have to isolate all other possible differences between the two populations? Sure, I would agree that it would be necessary to match the two groups for potentially harmful factors such as chemical exposure, but why would factors such as whether a person eats meat or visits a GP be relevant, unless of course you are mooting these as possible causes of autoimmune diabetes or autism. In any case, I know a great many people who do not vaccinate, but see doctors and eat meat. Conversely, I know plenty of people who vaccinate and use so-called complimentary medicine. Finally, you seem to be demanding the perfect study design from me, yet choose to rely on the rebuttal studies churned out by the hired guns of the pharmaceutical industry which purport to disprove a link between vaccines and autism and various other disorders, when the study designs proclude such conclusions.
“Comparing vaxed and invexed kids would be a great idea” period. I’ll be away until next week, and will be happy to continue this then.

By: Sean the Blogonaut

Sean the Blogonaut — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:22:04 +0000

god rather

By: Sean the Blogonaut

Sean the Blogonaut — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:21:43 +0000

Feels like a good of the gaps discussion going on here

By: AndyD

AndyD — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:13:24 +0000

But Bernice, can you show that non-vaxxers and vaxxers are otherwise the same? It seems to me, based purely on my limited observation (including of the AVN), that non-vaxxers tend to oppose most, if not almost all, mainstream medicine. They are more likely, I’d suspect, to be vegan or at least vegetarian, to not use harsh cleaning chemicals, to use aromatherapy – to be almost stereotypically “alternative” in many aspects of their life. How do we ensure the only consistent difference across the two groups is vaccination?

AND – before we even get that far… “Beyond the timing of the onset of symptoms, and given that millions and millions of vaccinated kids show no ill effects, what evidence is there that vaccines DO cause autism?”