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	<title>Comments on: Dick Smith sponsors an Australian Skeptics&#8217; advertisement warning parents about the misinformation spread by the AVN</title>
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		<title>By: Bastard Sheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bastard Sheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know that the largest number of deaths caused on the roads are by licensed drivers? Shocking isn&#039;t it. By your logic that must mean that licensing drivers is more dangerous than not doing so ... or could it simply be a case of overwhelming numbers? 
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Nobody claims conventional medicine is 100% safe.  Nobody claims anything is 100% safe, to do so would be making a logical fallacy.  
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Production of alternative medicine is a business too, are you saying they have no morals either? Well I&#039;ll be darned. At least pharmaceutical companies thoroughly test their medicine and procedures unlike alt-med. At least they can claim efficacy due to this testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know that the largest number of deaths caused on the roads are by licensed drivers? Shocking isn&#8217;t it. By your logic that must mean that licensing drivers is more dangerous than not doing so &#8230; or could it simply be a case of overwhelming numbers?<br />
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Nobody claims conventional medicine is 100% safe.  Nobody claims anything is 100% safe, to do so would be making a logical fallacy.<br />
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Production of alternative medicine is a business too, are you saying they have no morals either? Well I&#8217;ll be darned. At least pharmaceutical companies thoroughly test their medicine and procedures unlike alt-med. At least they can claim efficacy due to this testing.</p>
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		<title>By: d card</title>
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		<dc:creator>d card</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if ignorance is really bliss, a lot of you must lead really really happy lives.
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the evidence not just about vaccines, but the corrupt collusion between big pharma, the &#039;medical&#039; industry, &#039;paid for&#039; medical resaerch, and the food industry.
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you really think big business worth billions and billions and billions of cash every year has ANY morality or ethics?
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do you know that the 3rd biggest cause of death is presciption drugs WHEN TAKEN AS PRESCRIBED? drugs just like vaccines.
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do you know that if parents gave their children all the recommended vaccines they would have had over 40 before they reached school? 
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and so on and on it goes.

in the past, i have regularly found, and in different contexts, that the most ignorant people are often the most rabid and ranting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if ignorance is really bliss, a lot of you must lead really really happy lives.<br />
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<p>the evidence not just about vaccines, but the corrupt collusion between big pharma, the &#8216;medical&#8217; industry, &#8216;paid for&#8217; medical resaerch, and the food industry.<br />
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<p>you really think big business worth billions and billions and billions of cash every year has ANY morality or ethics?<br />
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<p>do you know that the 3rd biggest cause of death is presciption drugs WHEN TAKEN AS PRESCRIBED? drugs just like vaccines.<br />
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<p>do you know that if parents gave their children all the recommended vaccines they would have had over 40 before they reached school?<br />
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<p>and so on and on it goes.</p>
<p>in the past, i have regularly found, and in different contexts, that the most ignorant people are often the most rabid and ranting</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (yes, presented to the AVN and Meryl Dorey!) and the Fred Thornett Memorial Award presented to Toni and David McCaffery. They are the parents of four-week-old Dana McCaffery, who died from whooping cough in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MichaelB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And try watching this one guys, Malaria cured by Chinese herbs, yup we don&#039;t need one of those expensive and dangerous vaccines the drug companies are trying to invent and profit from... 

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/600026/n/The-Last-Bite

I know you all believe Chinese medicine is all voodoo and witchcraft. I was in China recently, they have bigger hospitals than we have in anywhere in Australia, 10 stories and more, thousands of beds and hundreds of people walking through the doors every minute, and hundreds of specialist doctors... and these hospitals are Chinese medicine hospitals, they use acupuncture and herbs....You guys ought to get out of Australia more, see the world and learn a few things, rather than meet every week for drinks at the local tavern, only to reinforce your own bias belief structures...

Maybe you should start your letter writing campaign to SBS now at berate them for their misleading and irresponsible reporting of the Chinese medicine malaria cure? Or maybe you should just be a little more openly sceptical...objective scepticism is good, closed mined scepticism is not!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And try watching this one guys, Malaria cured by Chinese herbs, yup we don&#8217;t need one of those expensive and dangerous vaccines the drug companies are trying to invent and profit from&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/600026/n/The-Last-Bite" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/600026/n/The-Last-Bite</a></p>
<p>I know you all believe Chinese medicine is all voodoo and witchcraft. I was in China recently, they have bigger hospitals than we have in anywhere in Australia, 10 stories and more, thousands of beds and hundreds of people walking through the doors every minute, and hundreds of specialist doctors&#8230; and these hospitals are Chinese medicine hospitals, they use acupuncture and herbs&#8230;.You guys ought to get out of Australia more, see the world and learn a few things, rather than meet every week for drinks at the local tavern, only to reinforce your own bias belief structures&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe you should start your letter writing campaign to SBS now at berate them for their misleading and irresponsible reporting of the Chinese medicine malaria cure? Or maybe you should just be a little more openly sceptical&#8230;objective scepticism is good, closed mined scepticism is not!!</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you closed minded Sceptics aren&#039;t interested in scientific facts, just your own version of them, but I&#039;m going to give it a try anyway, God knows why I am bothering as I know it won&#039;t change any one of your narrow minds as most of you have a cart to push. 

Maybe I&#039;m hoping that just one, just one of you actually has an open scientific mind and is actually interested in true scientific enquiry. 

Try reading the article by Robert F Kennedy Jr. as he lists all his references and scientific data. Try watching this video in which scientists at the University of Calgary show how neurons are damaged from mercury in tooth fillings and Thimerosal which is vaccines.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak

http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/articles/2005_june_16.html

http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/ThimerosalScandalFINAL.PDF

I understand how Galileo felt, surrounded by all the learned scientific minds of his time....and all the scientific minds that scoffed at Dr. Ignac Semmelweis for suggesting that washing ones hands would prevent infections....nothing has changed much has it?

“My dear Kepler, what do you say of the leading philosophers here to whom I have offered a thousand times of my own accord to show my studies, but who, with the lazy obstinacy of a serpent who has eaten his fill, have never consented to look at the planets, or moon, or telescope? Verily, just as serpents close their eyes, so do men close their eyes to the light of truth.&quot; Galileo Galilei in a letter to Johannes Kepler, 1630</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you closed minded Sceptics aren&#8217;t interested in scientific facts, just your own version of them, but I&#8217;m going to give it a try anyway, God knows why I am bothering as I know it won&#8217;t change any one of your narrow minds as most of you have a cart to push. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m hoping that just one, just one of you actually has an open scientific mind and is actually interested in true scientific enquiry. </p>
<p>Try reading the article by Robert F Kennedy Jr. as he lists all his references and scientific data. Try watching this video in which scientists at the University of Calgary show how neurons are damaged from mercury in tooth fillings and Thimerosal which is vaccines.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFsy0rQsak</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/articles/2005_june_16.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/articles/2005_june_16.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/ThimerosalScandalFINAL.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/ThimerosalScandalFINAL.PDF</a></p>
<p>I understand how Galileo felt, surrounded by all the learned scientific minds of his time&#8230;.and all the scientific minds that scoffed at Dr. Ignac Semmelweis for suggesting that washing ones hands would prevent infections&#8230;.nothing has changed much has it?</p>
<p>“My dear Kepler, what do you say of the leading philosophers here to whom I have offered a thousand times of my own accord to show my studies, but who, with the lazy obstinacy of a serpent who has eaten his fill, have never consented to look at the planets, or moon, or telescope? Verily, just as serpents close their eyes, so do men close their eyes to the light of truth.&#8221; Galileo Galilei in a letter to Johannes Kepler, 1630</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Northern Star newspaper in Northern NSW runs antivaccination letters sourced from all over the country but few if any pro vaccination letters. I have already complained to the press council about thier antivaccination bias. Well in the middle of a whooping cough epidemic they ran a full page ad from the AVN warning people of the dangers of vaccination, providing a graph that proves it doesnt work ! The Ad was in the Northern Star Lismore on Saturday 12 sept 2009. This Ad was dressed up to look like a news article with a small print disclaimer stating it was a paid ad. Would these bastards run an ad from the pro pedophilia foundation or the anti child car restraint league ? It seems they would. The AVN is based in Bangalow NSW so the Northern Star newspaper is a favourite and local means of disseminating thier bullshit. I believe it would also be a great place to start countering thier bullshit. Also if anyone else would like to complain to the press council about this murderous publication please do. If I can help I,m at nothisrealname@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Northern Star newspaper in Northern NSW runs antivaccination letters sourced from all over the country but few if any pro vaccination letters. I have already complained to the press council about thier antivaccination bias. Well in the middle of a whooping cough epidemic they ran a full page ad from the AVN warning people of the dangers of vaccination, providing a graph that proves it doesnt work ! The Ad was in the Northern Star Lismore on Saturday 12 sept 2009. This Ad was dressed up to look like a news article with a small print disclaimer stating it was a paid ad. Would these bastards run an ad from the pro pedophilia foundation or the anti child car restraint league ? It seems they would. The AVN is based in Bangalow NSW so the Northern Star newspaper is a favourite and local means of disseminating thier bullshit. I believe it would also be a great place to start countering thier bullshit. Also if anyone else would like to complain to the press council about this murderous publication please do. If I can help I,m at <a href="mailto:nothisrealname@hotmail.com">nothisrealname@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean the Blogonaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean the Blogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ted,

Nice little straw men arguments you are erecting there.  The government provides adequate information on the safety of vaccines.  Tell me, how is the AVN not profit motivated when it regularly advertises an promotes alternative therapies, do a little reading, think a little and you won&#039;t look like such a dill.</description>
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<p>Nice little straw men arguments you are erecting there.  The government provides adequate information on the safety of vaccines.  Tell me, how is the AVN not profit motivated when it regularly advertises an promotes alternative therapies, do a little reading, think a little and you won&#8217;t look like such a dill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are seriously misinformed or delusional if you think vaccines are 100% safe, do not injure and kill some kids, do not contain toxins and are the panacea for health. We need other sources including AVN to provide us with the unbiased (not profit motivated) other side of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are seriously misinformed or delusional if you think vaccines are 100% safe, do not injure and kill some kids, do not contain toxins and are the panacea for health. We need other sources including AVN to provide us with the unbiased (not profit motivated) other side of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Antivaxxers Under Fire &#171; Burdened By Proof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antivaxxers Under Fire &#171; Burdened By Proof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a link to a story on the story behind the ad, and a link to Phil Plait&#8217;s thoughts on the subject. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bernice l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernice l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. I wrapped the proceeds of my dog&#039;s daily job with that page. At least I have protected one innocent uneducated sheep from being influenced by unscientific propoganda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. I wrapped the proceeds of my dog&#8217;s daily job with that page. At least I have protected one innocent uneducated sheep from being influenced by unscientific propoganda!</p>
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