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	<title>Comments on: Natural News skates on legal thin ice over girl&#8217;s death</title>
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		<title>By: Sean the Blogonaut</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9478</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean the Blogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ somnambulism

Many thanks for the basic punctuation.  I can now read your crackheaded fuckwittery with gay abandon. 
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Anally retentive? No I just like being able to read without difficulty.  You can leave out apostrophes if you like (I am being generous).
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As for calling you a lazy prick - it&#039;s one keystroke to put a capital at the beginning of a sentence, ensuring people can easily read your screed. So unless you a have a learning difficulty, yes you are a lazy prick or possibly a pretentious wanker seeking to rebel against the strictures of English grammar.  But seeing as you did thereafter use capitals I contend you were being the former. 
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Oh and I&#039;ll start refuting when a)you make a point b) that point is backed up with some evidence c)when I think there might be a point to it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ somnambulism</p>
<p>Many thanks for the basic punctuation.  I can now read your crackheaded fuckwittery with gay abandon.<br />
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<p>Anally retentive? No I just like being able to read without difficulty.  You can leave out apostrophes if you like (I am being generous).<br />
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<p>As for calling you a lazy prick &#8211; it&#8217;s one keystroke to put a capital at the beginning of a sentence, ensuring people can easily read your screed. So unless you a have a learning difficulty, yes you are a lazy prick or possibly a pretentious wanker seeking to rebel against the strictures of English grammar.  But seeing as you did thereafter use capitals I contend you were being the former.<br />
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<p>Oh and I&#8217;ll start refuting when a)you make a point b) that point is backed up with some evidence c)when I think there might be a point to it.<br />
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<p>Apology where?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9437</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@somnambulism
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None of your posts were deleted - posts here are moderated and yours was caught in the spam filter because it had urls in it. This is a common problem. Be very careful before you go accusing people of censorship, unless you have evidence as you may end up with egg on your face. 

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If you are so keen to find double blind cross overs RCTs for vaccines, and you are unable to wait for me to come home from work, then search PubMed or Medline. I am not your research assistant. Since you seem to know so much about vaccines I assume you know this database well. I suspect however from your language (&quot;Big Pharma Shill&quot;) and references to Whale.to that studies in PubMed will not satisfy you as the type of evidence you are after. And further, the RCT dble/blind demand? Please try not to be so predictable. This phrase is written in the anti-vax mantra under &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vaccine_debate.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;9 questions to stump pro-vaxers&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. I know the modus operandi of the anti-vaxers, because I have studied it. Next you&#039;ll be bringing out the Illuminati card. 
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As such, your rants and allegations of censorship, lead me to believe that you are not here to learn, you are not interested in scientific fact, you are only interesting in trolling to waste my time. So I will not look for papers for you on PubMed. And I will not respond to sentences written in super caps lock.

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If you wish to get a response, you are going about it the wrong way. I suggest you take a look over &lt;a href=&quot;http://scepticsbook.com/2010/01/19/i-object-to-this-reading-material/comment-page-1/#comment-8939&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Skepdick&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; comments, who although disagreed with a lot of things on this site, did it in a (relatively) polite and inquiring manner. 
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Ironic that you comment that trolls are born on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@somnambulism<br />
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None of your posts were deleted &#8211; posts here are moderated and yours was caught in the spam filter because it had urls in it. This is a common problem. Be very careful before you go accusing people of censorship, unless you have evidence as you may end up with egg on your face. </p>
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<p>If you are so keen to find double blind cross overs RCTs for vaccines, and you are unable to wait for me to come home from work, then search PubMed or Medline. I am not your research assistant. Since you seem to know so much about vaccines I assume you know this database well. I suspect however from your language (&#8220;Big Pharma Shill&#8221;) and references to Whale.to that studies in PubMed will not satisfy you as the type of evidence you are after. And further, the RCT dble/blind demand? Please try not to be so predictable. This phrase is written in the anti-vax mantra under &#8220;<a href="http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vaccine_debate.shtml" rel="nofollow">9 questions to stump pro-vaxers</a>&#8220;. I know the modus operandi of the anti-vaxers, because I have studied it. Next you&#8217;ll be bringing out the Illuminati card.<br />
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As such, your rants and allegations of censorship, lead me to believe that you are not here to learn, you are not interested in scientific fact, you are only interesting in trolling to waste my time. So I will not look for papers for you on PubMed. And I will not respond to sentences written in super caps lock.</p>
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<p>If you wish to get a response, you are going about it the wrong way. I suggest you take a look over <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/01/19/i-object-to-this-reading-material/comment-page-1/#comment-8939" rel="nofollow">@Skepdick&#8217;s</a> comments, who although disagreed with a lot of things on this site, did it in a (relatively) polite and inquiring manner.<br />
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<p>Ironic that you comment that trolls are born on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: somnambulism(its ironic. geddit?)</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9435</link>
		<dc:creator>somnambulism(its ironic. geddit?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how funny is it that the one post i submitted, that was lacking profanity, and actually had some alternative links to whale.to, has been deleted. No doubt because they actually had some merit. I ask for legitimate double blind controlled studies, that are referenced and not authored by a bigpharma shill. No response. If you had any integrity at all, you would answer my questions with this so called science that you spout off about, but can&#039;t show(if not for my benefit,then for the benefit of people who visit this blog and want answers).
The fact that you cant provide these, and that you delete posts that have merit, proves that you are more concerned with keeping up appearences, than actually getting to the bottom of the issue at hand. It also proves to me that you cannot provide the studies i ask for, probably because THEY DONT EXIST. ALL these studies would have conflicts of interest no doubt. Sites like this are where trolls and shills are born. 
So vaccinate your kids, drink lots of flouride, and when your academic pompery crumbles around you,and you get depressed because of the bullshit life you live, throw a cocktail of paxil, zoloft and prozac down your neck. Because according to you,and the quackery that you live by, these are all things that &quot;science&quot; says are good for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how funny is it that the one post i submitted, that was lacking profanity, and actually had some alternative links to whale.to, has been deleted. No doubt because they actually had some merit. I ask for legitimate double blind controlled studies, that are referenced and not authored by a bigpharma shill. No response. If you had any integrity at all, you would answer my questions with this so called science that you spout off about, but can&#8217;t show(if not for my benefit,then for the benefit of people who visit this blog and want answers).<br />
The fact that you cant provide these, and that you delete posts that have merit, proves that you are more concerned with keeping up appearences, than actually getting to the bottom of the issue at hand. It also proves to me that you cannot provide the studies i ask for, probably because THEY DONT EXIST. ALL these studies would have conflicts of interest no doubt. Sites like this are where trolls and shills are born.<br />
So vaccinate your kids, drink lots of flouride, and when your academic pompery crumbles around you,and you get depressed because of the bullshit life you live, throw a cocktail of paxil, zoloft and prozac down your neck. Because according to you,and the quackery that you live by, these are all things that &#8220;science&#8221; says are good for you.</p>
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		<title>By: somnambulism</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9429</link>
		<dc:creator>somnambulism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the fact that you refer to this as a game maggie, makes me think that you are missing the point. This is site of scepticism is it not? lets start again. Can you please provide me with relevant links to prove my &quot;ranting and raving&quot; redundant. then i will happily walk away and re-evaluate my &quot;crackheaded fuckwittery&quot;
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the fact that you refer to this as a game maggie, makes me think that you are missing the point. This is site of scepticism is it not? lets start again. Can you please provide me with relevant links to prove my &#8220;ranting and raving&#8221; redundant. then i will happily walk away and re-evaluate my &#8220;crackheaded fuckwittery&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: somnambulism</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9426</link>
		<dc:creator>somnambulism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie, i have no desire to set up my own website. I am content to research.Yes i ranted, yes i raved. But i am humble enough to admit that. The reason i found this site was because i am searching for answers. But if you and your cheerleaders on here cant provide any referenced, double blind control studies that  support your claims(saying you have university level immunological qualifications does&#039;nt cut it, i&#039;m afraid), by an author that has no ties to any pharmaceutical interests, then you&#039;re post is as arbitrary and ranty as mine. Please, i implore you guys, show me the money. As much as i came across as a fuckwit, i do have good intentions believe it or not. And whale is far from my only point of reference. But i find it hard to believe that there is nothing contained on that site that has no merit at all.
regards, 
Somnambulism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie, i have no desire to set up my own website. I am content to research.Yes i ranted, yes i raved. But i am humble enough to admit that. The reason i found this site was because i am searching for answers. But if you and your cheerleaders on here cant provide any referenced, double blind control studies that  support your claims(saying you have university level immunological qualifications does&#8217;nt cut it, i&#8217;m afraid), by an author that has no ties to any pharmaceutical interests, then you&#8217;re post is as arbitrary and ranty as mine. Please, i implore you guys, show me the money. As much as i came across as a fuckwit, i do have good intentions believe it or not. And whale is far from my only point of reference. But i find it hard to believe that there is nothing contained on that site that has no merit at all.<br />
regards,<br />
Somnambulism</p>
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		<title>By: somnambulism</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9425</link>
		<dc:creator>somnambulism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries bloganaut.Just one question,  who appointed you as grammar and punctuation police, you twat. I noticed how you have&#039;nt refuted anything that was being discussed. So go back to your English literature lecture, and pontificate about how good you are about at starting sentences with  capital letters, and using comma&#039;s and parentheses. You anal retentive stickler.And i love how you refer to me as a &quot;lazy prick&quot;, when you would&#039;nt have the first fucking clue about who i am, you presumptuous, self absorbed wanker. I&#039;m not writing a novel here, nor am i submitting a term paper. So i think the punctuation is superceded by the point i was trying to make. I think anyone can follow what i was trying to say, so to refer to it as &quot;crackheaded fuckwittery&quot; makes you look like an obtuse, pompous idiot who is quite prone to &quot;fuckwittery&quot; himself.
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In case you did&#039;nt read the previous post i made, i APOLOGISED for my approach. Maybe i had my rags. Maybe i was having a bad hair day. Either way, i apologised. Anyway, go and have a hot shower. Your hypocrisy is fouling up the air.
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So apart from unnecessarily criticising my grammar, have you got anything of value to offer this blog?
ps Gee, i hope i didnt make any punctuational errors this time bloganaut. I would hate to think that you judge a human being, by a rushed lack of punctuation. Because that would more or less qualify you as a narrow minded tosser. I&#039;m quite sure that on a good day, we would probably swap stories and ideas in a far more constructive manner. ONCE AGAIN I APOLOGISE FOR MY ORIGINAL POST. NOW CAN WE GET BACK TO THE SCIENCE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHY I AM HERE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries bloganaut.Just one question,  who appointed you as grammar and punctuation police, you twat. I noticed how you have&#8217;nt refuted anything that was being discussed. So go back to your English literature lecture, and pontificate about how good you are about at starting sentences with  capital letters, and using comma&#8217;s and parentheses. You anal retentive stickler.And i love how you refer to me as a &#8220;lazy prick&#8221;, when you would&#8217;nt have the first fucking clue about who i am, you presumptuous, self absorbed wanker. I&#8217;m not writing a novel here, nor am i submitting a term paper. So i think the punctuation is superceded by the point i was trying to make. I think anyone can follow what i was trying to say, so to refer to it as &#8220;crackheaded fuckwittery&#8221; makes you look like an obtuse, pompous idiot who is quite prone to &#8220;fuckwittery&#8221; himself.<br />
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<p>In case you did&#8217;nt read the previous post i made, i APOLOGISED for my approach. Maybe i had my rags. Maybe i was having a bad hair day. Either way, i apologised. Anyway, go and have a hot shower. Your hypocrisy is fouling up the air.<br />
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<p>So apart from unnecessarily criticising my grammar, have you got anything of value to offer this blog?<br />
ps Gee, i hope i didnt make any punctuational errors this time bloganaut. I would hate to think that you judge a human being, by a rushed lack of punctuation. Because that would more or less qualify you as a narrow minded tosser. I&#8217;m quite sure that on a good day, we would probably swap stories and ideas in a far more constructive manner. ONCE AGAIN I APOLOGISE FOR MY ORIGINAL POST. NOW CAN WE GET BACK TO THE SCIENCE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHY I AM HERE.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9420</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps @somnambulism should set up his/her own website, there he/she can rant and rave to their heart&#039;s content and cite Whale to whenever they like.
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Abusing people and citing Whale to as evidence means you automatically lose the game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps @somnambulism should set up his/her own website, there he/she can rant and rave to their heart&#8217;s content and cite Whale to whenever they like.<br />
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<p>Abusing people and citing Whale to as evidence means you automatically lose the game</p>
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		<title>By: somnambulism</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9419</link>
		<dc:creator>somnambulism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah right, like wikipedia  is a pristine, flawless bastion of truth. i&#039;m a busy guy. dont waste my time. it is a well documented fact that  the diseases vaccinations were created for were in decline long before vaccinations were developed(as a result of better sanitation and living conditions).
and i noticed you have&#039;nt provided any links to refute my arguments. apart from the tenuous scopies law reference. pretty much anything i research on wikipedia is &quot;read with a grain of salt(if you will).
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Risk_disclaimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Legal_disclaimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_disclaimer 
that is f#$%ing laughable.
here is an interesting article that is referenced and poses some interesting questions for you guys to consider and look into.(even though the author is&#039;nt a scientist as such, she refers to respected scientists)
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012609Lambert.shtml
by the way, i apologise for my heavy handed, derogatory post to maggie. maybe i could have taken a more tolerant, easy going approach. i feel very passionately about this subject. however that should&#039;nt cloud my judgement. if any of you can prove to me that vaccines are safe and harmless(with double blind controlled studies and trials , that are&#039;nt authored by &quot;scientists&quot; with conflicts of interest) then i will retract my statements fully, and unequivocably apologise to you all for being an ignorant, yet verbose wanker.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012609Lambert.shtml

ps: here are 2 videos. one is about the collusive nature of government and big pharma(even though it deals with psychiatry and psychotropic drugs, it shows the corrupt nature of big pharma, and how they have virtual carte blanche and immunity from prosecution for the harm they have caused to countless individuals. as they have with vaccinations as well)
the second is a presentation on the links between thimerosal and autism by a dr david ayoub. please get back to me with your thoughts and refutations.
regards to you all,
somnambulism.
 http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&amp;ei=VIBrS5DKMIH8wQOtwozwBg&amp;q=dr+david+ayoub&amp;hl=en#

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=9083404572198377643&amp;ei=R4FrS8d5iJjCA8q6tZQI&amp;q=making+a+killing&amp;hl=en&amp;view=3&amp;dur=3#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah right, like wikipedia  is a pristine, flawless bastion of truth. i&#8217;m a busy guy. dont waste my time. it is a well documented fact that  the diseases vaccinations were created for were in decline long before vaccinations were developed(as a result of better sanitation and living conditions).<br />
and i noticed you have&#8217;nt provided any links to refute my arguments. apart from the tenuous scopies law reference. pretty much anything i research on wikipedia is &#8220;read with a grain of salt(if you will).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Risk_disclaimer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Risk_disclaimer</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Legal_disclaimer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Legal_disclaimer</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_disclaimer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_disclaimer</a><br />
that is f#$%ing laughable.<br />
here is an interesting article that is referenced and poses some interesting questions for you guys to consider and look into.(even though the author is&#8217;nt a scientist as such, she refers to respected scientists)<br />
<a href="http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012609Lambert.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012609Lambert.shtml</a><br />
by the way, i apologise for my heavy handed, derogatory post to maggie. maybe i could have taken a more tolerant, easy going approach. i feel very passionately about this subject. however that should&#8217;nt cloud my judgement. if any of you can prove to me that vaccines are safe and harmless(with double blind controlled studies and trials , that are&#8217;nt authored by &#8220;scientists&#8221; with conflicts of interest) then i will retract my statements fully, and unequivocably apologise to you all for being an ignorant, yet verbose wanker.<br />
<a href="http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012609Lambert.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012609Lambert.shtml</a></p>
<p>ps: here are 2 videos. one is about the collusive nature of government and big pharma(even though it deals with psychiatry and psychotropic drugs, it shows the corrupt nature of big pharma, and how they have virtual carte blanche and immunity from prosecution for the harm they have caused to countless individuals. as they have with vaccinations as well)<br />
the second is a presentation on the links between thimerosal and autism by a dr david ayoub. please get back to me with your thoughts and refutations.<br />
regards to you all,<br />
somnambulism.<br />
 <a href="http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&#038;ei=VIBrS5DKMIH8wQOtwozwBg&#038;q=dr+david+ayoub&#038;hl=en#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&#038;ei=VIBrS5DKMIH8wQOtwozwBg&#038;q=dr+david+ayoub&#038;hl=en#</a></p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=9083404572198377643&#038;ei=R4FrS8d5iJjCA8q6tZQI&#038;q=making+a+killing&#038;hl=en&#038;view=3&#038;dur=3#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=9083404572198377643&#038;ei=R4FrS8d5iJjCA8q6tZQI&#038;q=making+a+killing&#038;hl=en&#038;view=3&#038;dur=3#</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean the Blogonaut</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9415</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean the Blogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@somnambulism,

No, not illiterate. Just a lazy prick who can&#039;t be bothered using punctuation so it makes it easy for others to follow the absolute crackheaded fuckwittery that you are spewing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@somnambulism,</p>
<p>No, not illiterate. Just a lazy prick who can&#8217;t be bothered using punctuation so it makes it easy for others to follow the absolute crackheaded fuckwittery that you are spewing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/10/03/natural-news-skates-on-legal-thin-ice-over-death/comment-page-1/#comment-9411</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes he did!
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Dear somnambulism, please look up Scopie&#039;s Law.</description>
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Dear somnambulism, please look up Scopie&#8217;s Law.</p>
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