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	<title>Comments on: The AVN WA library lecture becomes a political bun fight where kids are the losers</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; A lesson in &#8220;do your research&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; A lesson in &#8220;do your research&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Whale.to, SaneVax, the AVN blog (whose website was called anti-vaccine by the HCCC), she has given lectures with Meryl Dorey, President of the AVN in Western [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Whale.to, SaneVax, the AVN blog (whose website was called anti-vaccine by the HCCC), she has given lectures with Meryl Dorey, President of the AVN in Western [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 05:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=520210&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anti vaccine group found misleading&lt;/a&gt;.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=520210" rel="nofollow">Anti vaccine group found misleading</a>.</p>
<p> <img src='http://scepticsbook.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AndyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, although I hadn&#039;t seen it before, the anti-semite comparison doesn&#039;t seem entirely unfair. There&#039;s a lot of &quot;evidence&quot; against the holocaust - just ask David Irving - and many people insist the whole thing is part of a massive conspiracy.

Perhaps Very Concerned can explain how the AVN&#039;s tactics differ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, although I hadn&#8217;t seen it before, the anti-semite comparison doesn&#8217;t seem entirely unfair. There&#8217;s a lot of &#8220;evidence&#8221; against the holocaust &#8211; just ask David Irving &#8211; and many people insist the whole thing is part of a massive conspiracy.</p>
<p>Perhaps Very Concerned can explain how the AVN&#8217;s tactics differ.</p>
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		<title>By: Bastard Sheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bastard Sheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice ad hominem.  Maybe you could try responding to the things said rather than attacking the people that said it.  This is what someone with a decent level of maturity would do, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice ad hominem.  Maybe you could try responding to the things said rather than attacking the people that said it.  This is what someone with a decent level of maturity would do, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Very Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 05:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Well, what an intrepid bunch of saviours you all are. Protecting &quot;our&quot; children from the evil grip of the AVN.Comparing the AVN to anti-semites is downright ludicrous, distasteful and idiotic and it seems that you all qualify as anti-vaxxers by being brain-less.
Do your research, check out Greg Beattle pg 36-57 and then comment.
As has been shown through the ages, it does not take brains to set up a website, well done guys, you have succeeded, hopefully there will be a place for you all in a world where logic and emotion are mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Well, what an intrepid bunch of saviours you all are. Protecting &#8220;our&#8221; children from the evil grip of the AVN.Comparing the AVN to anti-semites is downright ludicrous, distasteful and idiotic and it seems that you all qualify as anti-vaxxers by being brain-less.<br />
Do your research, check out Greg Beattle pg 36-57 and then comment.<br />
As has been shown through the ages, it does not take brains to set up a website, well done guys, you have succeeded, hopefully there will be a place for you all in a world where logic and emotion are mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kingsford Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kingsford Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - &quot;as they are legally obliged to rent rooms to any persons or organisations as long as they are not doing anything illegal&quot;

Are you able to provide evidence to that effect, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; &#8220;as they are legally obliged to rent rooms to any persons or organisations as long as they are not doing anything illegal&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you able to provide evidence to that effect, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t be too harsh on the WA State Library as they are legally obliged to rent rooms to any persons or organisations as long as they are not doing anything illegal.  We probably all wish the AVN was doing something illegal so they could be shut down but alas what they are doing is just immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t be too harsh on the WA State Library as they are legally obliged to rent rooms to any persons or organisations as long as they are not doing anything illegal.  We probably all wish the AVN was doing something illegal so they could be shut down but alas what they are doing is just immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,  Judy Wilyman quoted as having a Ph.D. puts her in a sililar class to Melbourne&#039;s John McLean &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipe.net.au/UNletter.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; PhD according to global warming denialist websites and letters&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a&gt;PhD student at James Cok University according to his profile on the ABC Drum.&lt;/a&gt;  Universities don&#039;t seem to try to police claims about having degrees - it would be a huge job to try.  They also won&#039;t confirm to the general public whetehr someone it a PhD student - I think you have to rely on academic transcripts. Possibly you can write for confirmation of copies of transcripts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,  Judy Wilyman quoted as having a Ph.D. puts her in a sililar class to Melbourne&#8217;s John McLean <a href="http://www.ipe.net.au/UNletter.html" rel="nofollow"> PhD according to global warming denialist websites and letters</a>, <a>PhD student at James Cok University according to his profile on the ABC Drum.</a>  Universities don&#8217;t seem to try to police claims about having degrees &#8211; it would be a huge job to try.  They also won&#8217;t confirm to the general public whetehr someone it a PhD student &#8211; I think you have to rely on academic transcripts. Possibly you can write for confirmation of copies of transcripts.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Murdoch&#039;s chiropractic course is supposed to be evidence-based. The chief lecturer was on a Lateline story about chiro and he was condemning colleagues who make claims about colic, etc. 

I don&#039;t know the first thing about how universities operate so I&#039;ve never quite understood some of the crazy stuff (Moletech, toxic sunscreen, toxic showers...) that goes on publicly, apparently under the Murdoch university banner.

But we know universities in UK teach homeopathy and TCM, so why should we expect ours to be all about reason and rationality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Murdoch&#8217;s chiropractic course is supposed to be evidence-based. The chief lecturer was on a Lateline story about chiro and he was condemning colleagues who make claims about colic, etc. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the first thing about how universities operate so I&#8217;ve never quite understood some of the crazy stuff (Moletech, toxic sunscreen, toxic showers&#8230;) that goes on publicly, apparently under the Murdoch university banner.</p>
<p>But we know universities in UK teach homeopathy and TCM, so why should we expect ours to be all about reason and rationality?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Thanks for info on Judy Wilyman and Peter Dingle.  It is pretty sad that alleged &quot;scientists&quot; have no grasp of evidence based medicine.  It is even sadder that Murdoch Uni remains silent while these people quote the universities name in making these damaging statements in the media.  Also Judy Wilyman is quoted on overseas websites as a qualified Ph.D, yet it would appear Murdoch makes no attempt to correct this.  Although I guess I would expect as much from a Uni that offers Chiropractic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; Thanks for info on Judy Wilyman and Peter Dingle.  It is pretty sad that alleged &#8220;scientists&#8221; have no grasp of evidence based medicine.  It is even sadder that Murdoch Uni remains silent while these people quote the universities name in making these damaging statements in the media.  Also Judy Wilyman is quoted on overseas websites as a qualified Ph.D, yet it would appear Murdoch makes no attempt to correct this.  Although I guess I would expect as much from a Uni that offers Chiropractic!</p>
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