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		<title>Flu vax reactions; bad batch ruled out, the search for the cause continues.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the criticisms being leveled at the government for the recent adverse flu events is the question of how thoroughly the current 2010 seasonal flu triple antigen has been tested.
This year&#8217;s vaccine contains three viral components,
• A/California/7/2009 (NYMC X-181) (A/California/7/2009 (H1N1) – like) 7.5 µg haemagglutinin per dose
• A/Wisconsin/15/2009 (NYMC X-183) (A/Perth/16/2009 (H3N2) – [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the criticisms being leveled at the government for the recent adverse flu events is the question of how thoroughly the current 2010 seasonal flu triple antigen has been tested.</p>
<p>This year&#8217;s vaccine <a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;q=cache:EFWr9iuGv2gJ:www.fwahs.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/publichealth/immunisation/pdf/CSL_FluvaxJnr_PI_2010_season.pdf+%E2%80%A2+A/California/7/2009+%28NYMC+X-181%29+%28A/California/7/2009+%28H1N1%29+%E2%80%93+like%29+7.5+%C2%B5g+haemagglutinin+per+dose+A/Wisconsin/15/2009+%28NYMC+X-183%29+%E2%80%A2+%28A/Perth/16/2009+%28H3N2%29+%E2%80%93+like%29+7.5+%C2%B5g+haemagglutinin+per+dose,+%E2%80%A2+B/Brisbane/60/2008+%28B/Brisbane/60/2008+%E2%80%93+like%29+7.5+%C2%B5g+haemagglutinin+per+dose&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=au&amp;pid=bl&amp;srcid=ADGEESjVz1sqdCs3wWcR9ibHUDVqyQy_vpXl137m3m5fQCN-ULfgJw6bbqRmg_r9RG45nH7yR_obTgzbpgsAhLlByfbIm0-JqFcTjWaaOChoxGms0QVvcBNYI5C7ply-KYVVKQ1eyP3h&amp;sig=AHIEtbROHTqjly0Di4N7sgbqGbWd5AvwyQ">contains</a> three viral components,<br />
• A/California/7/2009 (NYMC X-181) (A/California/7/2009 (H1N1) – like) 7.5 µg haemagglutinin per dose<br />
• A/Wisconsin/15/2009 (NYMC X-183) (A/Perth/16/2009 (H3N2) – like) 7.5 µg haemagglutinin per dose,<br />
• B/Brisbane/60/2008 (B/Brisbane/60/2008 – like) 7.5 µg haemagglutinin per dose, a combination not used in Australia before.</p>
<p>Ian Barr, the deputy-director of the World Health Organization&#8217;s influenza centre in Melbourne, was interviewed for the <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s2882792.htm">World Today on ABC radio</a> on Monday April 26th, about the question of whether the current seasonal flu combination has been tested in clinical trials.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>IAN BARR</strong>: In Australia we don&#8217;t require that the influenza vaccine, the seasonal vaccine is tested for combinations but they have done that overseas, so they have tested in fact giving a full seasonal vaccine with the swine flu, so four vaccines at once if you like and there were no untoward effects there.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>So I think there&#8217;s a high expectation that the combination of these three viruses will be no different from any other three viruses which we include every year without doing formal safety testing which takes quite a period of time and it is extremely expensive and time consuming.<br />
.</p>
<p><strong>CHARLOTTE GLENNIE</strong>: So in your opinion the fact that it is a combination vaccine would have nothing to do with this situation that we&#8217;ve got at the moment as far as you know now?<br />
.</p>
<p><strong>IAN BARR</strong>: I think that&#8217;s unlikely to be a factor. Certainly all viruses are slightly different but in terms of how they&#8217;re produced in the laboratory and tested in laboratory and then made in the commercial scale vaccine production areas, they&#8217;re all investigated individually for any particular differences in those viruses which might lead to some of these things we&#8217;re seeing currently, such as fever.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>So I think that it&#8217;s unlikely but I guess we have to wait and see on analysis of these particular batches.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>But subsequent tests by the <a href="http://www.tga.gov.au/">TGA</a> and other independent agencies have not identified a batch related problem. The Federal Government&#8217;s chief medical officer, Professor Jim Bishop, says there is no evidence to suggest that faulty batches of flu vaccine are to blame for adverse reactions in children, although further testing is yet to be completed.<br />
<a href="http://www.skeptics.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/panvax.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-3016 alignright" style="margin: 6px;" title="panvax" src="http://www.skeptics.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/panvax.jpg" alt="" width="283" height="181" /></a></p>
<h3>Could old technology be to blame?</h3>
<p>But rival vaccine manufacturers are questioning the manufacturing technique used by <a href="http://www.csl.com.au/s1/cs/auhq/1182280826145/content/1182280826258/home.htm">CSL Limited</a>. <a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;q=cache:e9GzKmvk14MJ:www.federalfinancialrelations.gov.au/content/national_partnership_agreements/HE001/National_Partnerhsip_agreement_on_Essential_Vaccines.pdf+Influenza+Deeds+of+Agreement&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=au&amp;pid=bl&amp;srcid=ADGEESh9qNUTm7NSPVK0oo4FgktOFoBEu1eB89uJE7cRT4c27AwyHG4QkwZCKo4JkKr0Ol8I-8FJJIGQ_yAX7zbr7fxPIUclneHiB6QwsHOrkA6-4-m4RyVVlfYun1ZqPg4JH1mm1VRA&amp;sig=AHIEtbR0j0AH8aDCwg8HYe0bHpW_N4JNPw">Influenza Deeds of Agreement</a> are in place with CSL Limited and Sanofi Pasteur for the supply of seasonal, pre-pandemic and pandemic influenza vaccines, but CSL is the primary supplier of AH1N1 vaccines to the Australian government.</p>
<p>CSL was once a division of  the Federal government. Known as the Commonwealth Serum Laboratories, it was established in Australia in 1916, then incorporated in 1991 and listed on the Australian Stock Exchange in 1994. But CSL continue to maintain a close relationship with the government much to the critique of their rivals.</p>
<p>Flinders University’s <a href="http://immunome-research.com/edboard/start.asp?id=114130">Professor Nikolai Petrovsky</a>, the research director of rival vaccine manufacturer Vaxine, says CSL&#8217;s relationship with the Federal Government virtually guarantees it funding. So CSL has no interest in developing better vaccines with new technology such as genetically engineered proteins.</p>
<p><strong>“They&#8217;re comfortable to really exploit the old technology which is highly profitable to sell each year to the Australian Government.” </strong><em> </em></p>
<p>CSL&#8217;s seasonal flu vaccine, Fluvax, is based on technology which involves growing the influenza virus in eggs &#8211; a technology which has been around for about 50 years. Professor Petrovsky says the CSL vaccine varies from batch to batch.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;That&#8217;s one of the consequences of using a 50-year-old technology, you get that variability,&#8221;</strong> he said.</p>
<p>He is calling for an independent inquiry into the Federal Government&#8217;s relationship with CSL.</p>
<h3>A spike in vaccinations means a spike in reactions?</h3>
<p>To date, there have been 57 reports of adverse reactions (including high fevers and convulsions) in WA, six in Victoria, four in NSW and Queensland, two in South Australia and one each in Tasmania and the ACT. One child died in QLD after receiving a flu injection. Initial findings from the coroner did not find the vaccine at fault but tests are ongoing.</p>
<p>Prof Bishop said some three million doses of the seasonal flu vaccine have gone out this year, with up to two-thirds sent to WA.</p>
<p>It could be a &#8220;partial explanation&#8221; as to why the western state has experienced a much higher rate of complications, normally expected in one out of every 1000 to 10,000 cases, Prof Bishop said.</p>
<p>WA provides the seasonal flu shot for free to children under five, whereas the rest of the country doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The WA trials were started after the 2007 flu season, after 8 children across Australia under five years of age, died within 24 hours of developing mild and non-specific symptoms of respiratory infection. Although the cause of death has not been reported in many of these cases, these deaths appeared to be associated with influenza A.</p>
<p>In 2008, almost 65,000 children aged 5 and younger in Western Australia received free flu vaccinations made by CSL and Sanofi- Aventis SA as part of a trial that reduced hospitalizations by 88 percent, the state’s health department said in a <a href="http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Lists/Statements/DispForm.aspx?ID=131428">statement</a> last year.</p>
<p>Each year, CSL&#8217;s Fluvax vaccine contains fragments of three different types of influenza virus as recommended by the TGA and this depends on the strains of infectious flu in the environment. In addition, flu viruses mutate from season to season so vaccines become less effective and need to be modified to keep up with the current mutants.</p>
<h3>The components have been tested individually but not in combination.</h3>
<p>Although the current Fluvax® combination has not been tested in Australia, the individual components have.</p>
<p>Fluvax® Jnr (2005/2006 batches) showed very good safety and efficacy profile in clinical trial.<br />
.</p>
<blockquote><p>Safety and efficacy of CSLs Fluvax® Jnr &#8211; seasonal flu vax (no thimerosal, no H1N1) This study was undertaken using the 2005-2006 flu vaccines, is designated the Paediatric study <a href="http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00700193">CSLCT-FLU-04-05</a> and was <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19903213">published in 2009</a>.</p>
<p>The safety, tolerability and immunogenicity of Fluvax® vaccine was tested in 298 participants from a paediatric population (&gt; 6 months to &lt; 3 years and &gt; 3 years to &lt; 9 years).</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Group A<br />
Equal to or <strong>greater than 6 months to less than 3 years old</strong><br />
Biological: Influenza Virus Vaccine<br />
2 dose vaccine regimen: 2 X 0.25mL vaccinations 30 days apart and a booster vaccination was administered 12 months after the first dose<br />
.</p>
<p>Group B<br />
Equal to or <strong>greater than 3 years to less than 9 years old</strong><br />
Biological: Influenza Virus Vaccine<br />
2 dose vaccine regimen: 2 X 0.50mL vaccinations 30 days apart and a booster vaccination was administered 12 months after the first dose<br />
.<br />
The total number of participants was 298 (Group A n=151; Group B n=147). There were no reports of serious adverse events related to Fluvax® vaccine during the vaccination period. Within 7 days after administration of Fluvax® vaccine, all adverse experiences reported with an incidence of 2% or greater. Unsolicited adverse events were collected for 30 days post-vaccination. Very common unsolicited events (&lt; 1/10) reported were rhinitis, cough, teething and influenza-like illness.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Panvax® Jnr was tested in a 2009 trial and showed ~30% adverse effects in children under the age of 8.</p>
<p>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Testing began on CSLs 2009 H1N1 Influenza Vaccine (CSL425) in July 2009, on 370 kids aged between 6 Months to 8 Years.<br />
.<br />
CSL Limited makes two AH1H1 vaccines, Panvax® and Panvax® Jnr (thimerosal free). The clinical trial is <a href="http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00940108">registered </a> and <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20026597?dopt=Abstract">published here</a>.<br />
.</p>
<p>Mild adverse effects were defined as adverse events easily tolerated by the participant, causing minimal discomfort and do not interfere with everyday activities (e.g., soreness at injection site)?.<br />
Following the first vaccination:<br />
.</p>
<p>• 16.3% had a mild fever (&gt;37.5 degrees C &lt; 38.5 degrees C) in the 15µg group<br />
.</p>
<p>• 23% had mild fever in the 30 µg group<br />
.</p>
<p>Combined mild adverse reactions, for 15 µg and 30 µg were 31.9% and 33.7%, respectively.</p>
<p>For moderate adverse reactions, 15 µg and 30 µg were 18.9% and 27.2%, respectively. This was defined as significantly discomforting, interferes with daily activity.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>The clinical trial data was evaluated by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) and reviewed by the expert Advisory Committee on Prescription Medicines (ACPM). The evaluations found the vaccine, delivered in two doses not less than 28 days a part in children aged 6 months to 9 years, to be both safe and to offer good protection.</p>
<p>Panvax® was approved by the TGA on December 3, 2009 and the national immunisation program began on 30 September 2009.</p>
<p>The TGA has been closely monitoring any side effects from the use of the vaccine. To that date approximately 6 million doses of Panvax® had been distributed in Australia. As at 31 December 2009 a total of 1289 <a href="http://www.tga.gov.au/alerts/medicines/h1n1vaccine1.htm">suspected side effects</a> have been reported to the TGA following vaccination with Panvax® in Australia.</p>
<p>This is the current trial of the 2010 vaccine, containing A/California/7/2009 (NYMC X-181), (A/California/7/2009 (H1N1) – like)  A/Wisconsin/15/2009 (NYMC X-183), (A/Perth/16/2009 (H3N2) – like)  &amp; B/Brisbane/60/2008 (B/Brisbane/60/2008 – like)<br />
.</p>
<p>Current Influenza Vaccine Study in 6 month to 17 year olds<br />
.</p>
<blockquote><p>Australia is considering introducing the Influenza vaccine for all children under 5 years. At the same time, this study aims to improve our knowledge of the safety of Fluvax® in children aged from 6 months to 17 years old. Information from this study will help future decisions on how best to use Fluvax® in children.<br />
.</p>
<p>What does the study involve? Each participant will be in the study for about 6 or 7 months. They will receive 1 or 2 doses of Fluvax®, depending on their age and how many doses of ‘flu vaccine they have had in the past. You will be asked to record certain reactions that might occur for 30 days following each vaccination.</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
This study has been approved by a human research ethics committee. In Perth the study is run by the research staff at the Vaccine Trials Group, Telethon Institute for Child Health Research in conjunction with Princess Margaret Hospital for Children and the University of Western Australia School of Paediatrics.</p>
<p>The latest information on the website says; &#8220;recruitment complete&#8221; which means they have enough people for the trial. I don&#8217;t know what stage they are at with respect to results. There is a brochure available <a href="http://www.ichr.uwa.edu.au/vtg/studies/flu">here</a>.</p>
<h3>Parents call for calm.</h3>
<p>Meanwhile, some parents are calling for calm and warning others not to shun vaccines completely.</p>
<p>Kellie Connolly <a href="http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/put-fear-aside-dont-hesitate-to-vaccinate/story-e6frezz0-1225860330197">writing for the Daily Telegraph </a>on April 30th, recounts how her three year old contracted swine flu last year and was extremely ill for 2 months. He couldn&#8217;t keep food down for 13 days, lost a third of his body weight and he eventually developed pneumonia.</p>
<p>When she took him for his flu shot this year, around the time of the recent scare, he suffered an adverse reaction of high temperatures, vomiting and headaches.</p>
<p>Kellie says that of course she has concerns and she expects the authorities to thoroughly investigate them, but she was adamant;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;..As a mother of a child who&#8217;s had a terrible case of swine flu, and then witnessed an adverse reaction to a vaccine, I still say VACCINATE for everything else recommended by our health officials.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Similarly, <a href="http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/parenting/community/kylie-orr/why-i-choose-to-immunise-20100427-tq31.html?s_rid=rainbow:hp5:immunise:eb:kylie:30apr10"><br />
Kylie Orr on the Essential Baby blog</a> says;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Why would I question a free service provided by  the government, which  has been exhaustively researched and documented? I  am not a scientist,  medical practitioner or spokesperson for a  pharmaceutical company.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>Ultimately, I am a mum and if the experts tell me immunising my child is the best bet for keeping them safe from potentially deadly diseases,  well that’s  enough for me. If someone offers a counter argument, showing me figures and relevant links, backed up by science&#8230;..&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The vaccination programme for under fives remains suspended. You can report an adverse effect to vaccination, or other drugs at the <a href="http://www.tga.gov.au/problem/medicines.htm#medicines">TGA website</a>.</p>



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		<title>Some light reading whilst I blog the debate</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people at the forum today, commented that there is not enough information available for parents, and what they do come across is confusing and scary.
The Australian Government has produced a guide on vaccine myths and misconceptions. The one I have posted here is for providers, but much of the information is easy to read [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people at the forum today, commented that there is not enough information available for parents, and what they do come across is confusing and scary.</p>
<p>The Australian Government has produced a guide on vaccine myths and misconceptions. The one I have posted here is for providers, but much of the information is easy to read and understand.</p>
<p>You can view the pdf <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/myths-4th-edition-1.pdf">here</a>. I&#8217;ll be back as soon as I have blogged today&#8217;s debate.</p>
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		<title>How to get the Maternity Immunisation Allowance without getting your kids vaccinated.</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/how-to-get-the-maternity-immunisation-allowance-without-getting-your-kids-vaccinated/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[anti-vaccination]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s what I turned up about the Maternity Immunisation Allowance.
It was established in 1997 by Dr Michael Wooldridge, the then Federal Minister for Health and Family Services, in response to low levels of immunisation in Australia.
The new initiatives were designed to reach the 97 per cent of parents who are in favour of immunisation, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I turned up about the <a href="http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/maternity_allow.htm">Maternity Immunisation Allowance</a>.</p>
<p>It was <a href="http://www.foodsecretariat.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/health-archive-mediarel-1997-mw1697.htm">established in 1997 by Dr Michael Wooldridge</a>, the then Federal Minister for Health and Family Services, in response to low levels of immunisation in Australia.</p>
<p>The new initiatives were designed to reach the 97 per cent of parents who are in favour of immunisation, but who did not finish the full vaccination regime.<br />
<a href="http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/baby-vaccination2.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-601" title="baby-vaccination2" src="http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/baby-vaccination2-198x300.jpg" alt="" width="198" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>During the launch, Dr Wooldridge said; &#8220;With such a high rate of acceptance of immunisation, it is appalling that only 53 per cent of Australian children are fully immunised for their age. This leaves all children at risk of contracting vaccine preventable diseases such as measles, whooping cough and German measles.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Present childhood immunisation rates in Australia are among the worst in western countries and lower than many Third World countries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr Wooldridge said the Federal Government was so concerned about the low rates of childhood immunisation that it had put its full weight behind an ambitious national strategy to significantly improve immunisation compliance.</p>
<p>This included the introduction of the Maternity Immunisation Allowance, a non-means tested bonus to encourage parents to fully immunise their children and the offer of financial incentives to medical practitioners as part of the Better Practice Program.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;"><em><span id="ctl00_mainContent_ResourceDetailsView1_lblDescription">The Maternity Immunisation Allowance aims to encourage parents or guardians to fully immunise children in their care. Maternity Immunisation Allowance is a payment for children aged 18 to 24 months who are fully immunised or have an approved exemption from immunisation. </span></em></span></p>
<p>However, you can still get the money even if you don&#8217;t get your kids vaccinated. Following is an excerpt from the <a href="http://www.familyassist.gov.au/internet/fao/fao1.nsf/content/payments-mia-exemptions.htm">exemption clause</a>.</p>
<ul>
<blockquote><p>a recognised immunisation provider (e.g. your doctor) signs a letter or form saying that:</p>
<ul> • they have told you about the benefits and risks of immunising your child and you have a conscientious objection to immunising your child (your provider should complete a Health Insurance Commission Immu-12 form),</p>
<p>• immunising your child with a particular vaccine is medically contraindicated (your provider should use the Health Insurance Commission Immu-11 form),</p>
<p>• the child has a natural immunity to the disease, or</p>
<p>• the vaccine is not available,</p>
<p>• you or your partner are a member of the Church of Christ, Scientist and you have a letter from an official of the Church advising that you are a practising member of the Church.</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>I find it very interesting that this is never mentioned by the anti-vacc crowd. They are very quick to accuse GPs of being involved in some &#8220;big pharma&#8221; conspiracy since they also receive financial incentives to vaccinate and talk to parents about immunisation.</p>
<p>Did they forget to mention they also get paid for leeching off the rest of us who do comply thereby benefiting from they herd immunity we provide? </p>
<p>And as my mum who alerted me to this story said, if they are so opposed to vaccination shouldn&#8217;t they decline to take the money out of principle?</ul>



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		<title>Government money for conscientious objectors?</title>
		<link>http://scepticsbook.com/2009/03/01/government-money-for-conscientious-objectors/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Excuses]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wanna get paid to not vaccinate? Read on&#8230;

I just finished a conversation with my school friend who has two girls, one 15 months and the other 3 years, about vaccination. She relayed to me a story about her mothers and babies group where one such mother had steadfastly refused to have her kids immunised and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanna get paid to not vaccinate? Read on&#8230;</p>
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<p>I just finished a conversation with my school friend who has two girls, one 15 months and the other 3 years, about vaccination. She relayed to me a story about her mothers and babies group where one such mother had steadfastly refused to have her kids immunised and was making a song and dance about the fact. This erked my friend, since she has been vigilant about getting both her girls immunised according to the Australian Government&#8217;s recommendations. She informed me that when you get your kids vaccinated in Australia, the government (in fact, Centrelink) send you $200 for the privilege.</p>
<p>It seems they also send this money to conscientious objectors. The objector in question proudly told my friend she had signed a statutory declaration, under the watch of her GP, detailing her reasons for not having her kids vaccinated. Despite this, the Australian government still sent her the $200, normally reserved for those who have their kids immunised. This mother was very proud of the fact, which eventually resulted in her being involved in a rather large argument with the rest of the parents who were essentially protecting her child via herd immunity.</p>
<p>This is interesting to know for me, as a non-parent, and as a person interested in the anti-vacc crowd, since they never seem to mention that you also get money for refusing to get your kids vaccinated. However, they are very quick to mention that doctors get paid for reporting the vaccination of kids.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy? I will do some further research and get back to you, but I smell a rat.</p>



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