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	<title>The Skeptics' Book of Pooh-Pooh &#187; HCCC</title>
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		<title>The AVN shoots themselves in the foot.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been extensive coverage of the HCCC public warning issued following the AVNs refusal to post a disclaimer on their website.
One wonders if Meryl Dorey would have saved herself a lot of bad publicity had she just quietly posted the disclaimer as requested. As it turns out, there have now been two waves of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been extensive coverage of the HCCC public warning issued following the AVNs refusal to post a disclaimer on their website.</p>
<p>One wonders if Meryl Dorey would have saved herself a lot of bad publicity had she just quietly posted the disclaimer as requested. As it turns out, there have now been two waves of bad publicity for the AVN. The first, after the HCCC report was released some two weeks ago and now the second wave with the refusal to post the disclaimer.</p>
<p>It seems the <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/07/15/the-avns-reputation-is-in-tatters/">tide has definitely turned</a> in the media with respect to the AVN. Previously the majority of the reporting was staunchly about &#8220;balance&#8221; never referring to the AVN as anti-vax and generally giving Meryl a pretty easy ride when it came to her avoiding the question of &#8220;you say you&#8217;re not anti-vax but which vaccines do you recommend?&#8221;.</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t believe me, <a href="http://www.2ue.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&amp;url=http://media.mytalk.com.au/2ue/audio/270710mcleod.mp3">listen</a> to Steve Liebermann &#8211; who reckons the AVN should be shut down &#8211; tear shreds off the AVN on radio 2UE.</p>
<p>In the extensive coverage of the last few weeks, there has only been one example of television that I have seen the term &#8220;balanced&#8221; used and that was on the frothy morning show Sunrise (not known for hard hitting journalism). This morning the show interviewed both Meryl Dorey and Prof. Booy, who had both previously appeared on Radio ABC 702 Sydney. Even when Meryl got a pretty easy ride from the interviewer, there was no misunderstanding about the agenda of the AVN, as Prof Booy made it abundantly clear by referring to the AVN at least twice as the Anti-Vaccination Network.</p>
<p>You can watch the full story <a href="http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/play/-/7659532/vaccine-debate/">here</a>.</p>
<p>And whilst there was a follow up story in today&#8217;s SMH, (following yesterdays front page criticism), interviewing Dorey and detailing her reasons for starting on her anti-vax crusade, it was<a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6128672&amp;op=1&amp;o=all&amp;view=all&amp;subj=119345448083978&amp;aid=-1&amp;oid=119345448083978&amp;id=667130228"> juxtaposed with a series of rather loopy quotes</a> from Dorey. In a column entitled &#8220;Dorey on vaccines&#8221; four quotations were published. Although they&#8217;re certainly not the most loopy I have seen from Meryl, they nonetheless do not make her look particularly &#8220;balanced&#8221; and &#8220;pro-information&#8221; (as she is still feebly clinging to BTW).</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see that the measles vaccine has done anything for Australia&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Make no mistakes folks, this measles &#8220;outbreak&#8221; has been orchestrated for one reason and one reason only &#8211; to force the issue of compulsory vaccination.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>More conspiracy nonsense from Meryl, directly contradicting one of my favourite quotes from her;</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;&#8230;we are already seen as rabid, idiotic fringe dwellers by so many in the mainstream, it does our cause no good at all to bring in conspiracy theories, which though we may subscribe to them, are unprovable.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Thanks to the hard work of Steve Cannane who kicked this campaign off with the awesome <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/07/13/lateline-report-on-damning-hccc-findings/">report on Lateline</a> some 2 weeks ago, the tone has been set in the media. Steve did a <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2965957.htm">follow up story</a> last night, this time covering the government&#8217;s seemingly disinterest in instigating the vaccination education campaign they have been promising for what seems like an eternity.</p>
<p>In the meantime the McCafferys (who have been extremely brave and stoic throughout this entire nightmare) have contributed to a website in collaboration with Professor Booy called <a href="http://www.chainofprotection.org/">Chain of Protection </a></p>
<p>Meanwhile Meryl continues unabated. She continues to bleat they are not anti-vax, that the HCCC does not have jurisdiction over them, that she is seeking legal advice etc etc. It&#8217;s like a broken record.</p>
<p>Pro-tip Meryl, saying it over and over again will not make it right. And because you arrogantly refused to put up the disclaimer, many more people now know just that.</p>
<p>Below is some of the coverage I have collected from the past few days. If you come across anything else, please leave a comment and I&#8217;ll add it here.</p>
<p>SMH <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/antivaccine-group-a-threat-20100726-10smn.html">Anti-vaccine Group a Threat </a></p>
<p>SMH <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/vaccine-campaign-plea-parents-who-lost-baby-dana-stonewalled-by-government-20100727-10tug.html">Parents who lost baby stonewalled </a></p>
<p>SMH <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/still-no-warning-on-whooping-cough-20100727-10uf9.html">Still No Warning on Whooping Cough</a></p>
<p>The Medical News <a href="http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100726/Anti-vaccination-group-declared-unsafe.aspx?page=2">Anti-vaccination Group Declared Unsafe</a></p>
<p>Northern Star <a href="http://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2010/07/27/hccc-avn-bangalow/">Warning Issued About AVN</a></p>
<p>ABC News <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/27/2965255.htm">Vaccine Group Needles Opponents </a><br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/27/2965244.htm?section=justin">Anti-Vaccination Campaigners Slapped with Warning</a></p>
<p>New Scientist <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19228-antivaccination-website-poses-public-health-risk.html">Anti-Vaccination Website Poses a Risk</a></p>
<p>International Business Times <a href="http://au.ibtimes.com/contents/20100726/hccc-warns-public-on-anti-vaccine-group.htm">HCCC Warns Public on Anti-Vaccine Group</a></p>
<p>Medical Observer <a href="http://www.medicalobserver.com.au/news/public-warning-against-antivaccination-website?hash=2e926ad7892b27a5a28e9db8b853071b-747cf56cd31b7c6d1951364a54523daa#comments">Public Warning Against Anti-Vaccination Website </a></p>
<p>2UE <a href="http://www.2ue.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&amp;url=http://media.mytalk.com.au/2ue/audio/270710mcleod.mp3">Steve Lieberman interviews Ken McLeod</a></p>



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		<title>AVN a risk to public health and safety &#8211; HCCC warning</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The HCCC issued a press release earlier today, describing the AVN as a risk to public health and safety and warning the public that they provide information that is inaccurate and misleading.
The public statement was issued after a fortnight&#8217;s grace during which time the AVN were instructed to issue a disclaimer on their website stating [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HCCC issued a press release earlier today, describing the AVN as a risk to public health and safety and warning the public that they provide information that is inaccurate and misleading.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Media-Releases/PUBLIC-WARNING-/default.aspx">public statement</a> was issued after a fortnight&#8217;s grace during which time the AVN were instructed to issue a disclaimer on their website stating that;</p>
<ul>
<li>• The AVN’s purpose is to provide information against vaccination, in  order to balance what it believes is the substantial amount of  pro-vaccination information available elsewhere.</li>
<li>• The information provided by the AVN should not be read as medical advice.</li>
</ul>
<p>The public warning follows a 12 month investigation into the AVN after 2 complaints were received.</p>
<p>The Commission’s investigation of the complaints focussed on the material presented by the AVN on its website www.avn.org.au. The Commission established that the AVN website:</p>
<ul>
<li>• provides information that is solely anti-vaccination</li>
<li>• contains information that is incorrect and misleading</li>
<li>• quotes selectively from research to suggest that vaccination may be dangerous.</li>
</ul>
<p>The AVN was given 2 weeks to post the disclaimer in a prominent position on their website. When the deadline passed, the HCCC was forced to issue the public statement.</p>
<p>Meryl Dorey, media spokesperson and immediate past president of the AVN responded by repeating she does not believe the HCCC has jurisdiction over the AVN and she is seeking legal advice in this regard. (She has been &#8220;seeking legal advice&#8221; about this matter for what seems like the duration of the investigation).</p>
<p>In a blog post entitled &#8220;AVN vigorously opposses HCCC notice&#8221; Meryl (who refers to the AVN as a &#8220;consumer advocacy and vaccine safety watchdog group&#8221;), states:</p>
<p>&#8220;Three times since this investigation started last September, the AVN has provided the HCCC with information on their lack of jurisdiction. Each time, this information has been ignored.&#8221;</p>
<p>“The HCCC states that our information is misleading because we do not include data on the benefits of vaccination,&#8230;..nobody would expect&#8230;&#8230;those who argue against fluoridation of the water supply to write reports about the benefits of mass medication without individual consent.&#8221;</p>
<p>So apparently fluoride in drinking water is &#8220;mass medication&#8221; now?</p>
<p>But it gets even more hilarious.</p>
<ul> &#8220;The AVN is currently in discussions with our legal advisors&#8230;.. to defend against the unsubstantiated allegations that our information is anything but complete, <strong>unbiased and fully-referenced from the medical literature</strong>.&#8221; (emphasis mine).</ul>
<p>Unbiased and fully-referenced? Meryl, surely you jest. Even you have admitted you don&#8217;t tell both sides of the story. And as for fully referenced? Well the HCCC had something to say about that too.</p>
<li><strong>The AVN website contains information that is incorrect and misleading and quotes selectively from research to suggest that vaccination may be dangerous.</strong></li>
<p>Fully referenced also might not mean what you think it means Meryl. For example, <a href="http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/blog/the-truth-behind-the-avn-claims/">copying and pasting incorrectly attributed references</a> from whale.to is not considered &#8220;fully referenced&#8221;.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Meryl is still screeching &#8220;free speech&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221;. A comment left on her blog offered a much more sinister reason for the HCCC &#8220;witch hunt&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p><cite>Tracy</cite> says:<br />
 July 25, 2010 at 11:51<br />
Doctors are hired assassins for the pharmaceutical companies and  the government. Paid to kill and injure … method of death and grievous  bodily harm … vaccinations.  I tell you, there is something very  sinister going on that they are going to such extraordinary lengths to  silence the truth!</p></blockquote>
<p>Hold on to your tin foil hats people!</p>
<p>Not only do the Australian public now <a href="http://www.medicalobserver.com.au/news/public-warning-against-antivaccination-website#comments">know the true nature of the AVN&#8217;s agenda</a>, Meryl appears to have got herself in some hot water over scanning and posting a pro-vaccine magazine article on her blog. The article, published in Cosmos Magazine, got her ire when she was apparently misquoted after declining to be interviewed. The publishers are now seeking legal advice about the breach of copyright and will be taking action to have the article removed.</p>
<p>And in another schemozzle, Meryl <a href="http://tashage.blogspot.com/2010/07/off-topic.html">appears to have passed on the email list</a> from her subscriber base to a third party, which breaches email privacy laws in Australia. Although in a blog post published today she denies this is the case.</p>
<p>This came about with the distribution of a media release from the International Medical Council on Vaccination, announcing their support for the AVN and &#8220;condemning the attempts of an Australian Government body to censor and suppress their work.&#8221; It was signed by well known anti-vaxers Sherri Tenpenny, VacTruth, Moms Against Mercury, and even Judy Wilyman, amongst others.</p>
<p>AVN readers have already begun to write to the HCCC complaining about the findings. One suggested:</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;The HCCC’s purpose is to provide misleading information about the importance and efficacy of vaccination, in order to perpetuate the substantial amount of one-sided, pro-vaccination information available everywhere.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Or perhaps the science tells us that the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks? There&#8217;s no debate about that.</p>



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		<title>Meryl gives me a shout out on Howard Sattler 6PR!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got a heads up to Meryl being on the Howard Sattler show on Radio 6PR Perth today.
Meryl is in town for her second anti-vaccination seminar at the WA State Library. I tweeted it so everyone else could experience the joy of Meryl&#8217;s inaccurate and misleading information about vaccines (share the love and all that).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a heads up to Meryl being on the Howard Sattler show on Radio 6PR Perth today.</p>
<p>Meryl is in town for her second anti-vaccination seminar at the WA State Library. I tweeted it so everyone else could experience the joy of Meryl&#8217;s i<a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/07/12/avn-slammed-for-misleading-false-and-anti-vaccine-information/">naccurate and misleading information</a> about vaccines (share the love and all that).</p>
<p>My tweet was seen by someone on Howard Sattler&#8217;s show and Howard asked Meryl if she knew of a &#8220;Dr Rachael Dunlop&#8221; who has been tweeting that she was on. Meryl said she did know of me and I was &#8220;not a medical doctor&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well no, I&#8217;m not and I&#8217;ve never said I was Meryl. My <a href="http://rp-host.www.medfac.usyd.edu.au/people/alumni/viewuserdetail.php?id=20769">qualifications</a> are not hard to find.</p>
<p>Which leads me to enquire, what kind of doctor are you Meryl?</p>
<p>*crickets*</p>
<p>You can hear the full audio <a href="http://mycolleaguesareidiots.com/transfer/MDon6PR.mp3">here</a>.</p>
<p>It includes the same nonsense we have come to expect from &#8220;Australia&#8217;s leading expert on vaccination&#8221; including the corker that vaccines are not sugar water, then applauding a parent for choosing sugar water (ie homeopathy) to vaccinate their kids.</p>
<p>Meryl, you keep bleating about &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221; but when people&#8217;s health is at risk these things do not apply. What if I want to exercise my right to free speech by yelling &#8220;BOMB!&#8221; on a plane? Well I can&#8217;t (and I wouldn&#8217;t) because it potentially puts people&#8217;s lives at risk. Same goes for yelling &#8220;FIRE!&#8221; in a crowded cinema when there is not one. Laws exist in our society for the safety of the masses and this includes HCCC rulings about what constitutes medical advice.</p>
<p>The HCCC has ruled against you Meryl. This doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t spout your opinions &#8211; you just have to make everybody aware they are opinions and should not be construed as medical advice. And hey, if you want that to change enrol in uni, do a post-grad medicine course. With 20 years of research behind you already it should be a doddle.</p>



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		<description><![CDATA[“I think it’s actually the wrong name; it shouldn’t be the Australian Vaccine network, it should be the anti-Australian vaccine network&#8221;, Radio Host 2UE radio, Sydney Australia.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think it’s actually the wrong name; it shouldn’t be the Australian Vaccine network, it should be the anti-Australian vaccine network&#8221;, Radio Host 2UE radio, Sydney Australia.</p>
<p>Initially I was somewhat disappointed to learn the ruling from the HCCC was no more than a requirement to post a disclaimer on the AVN website, but as the news has spread, I am somewhat buoyed by what has been happening.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/07/12/avn-slammed-for-misleading-false-and-anti-vaccine-information/">HCCC ruling</a> states that the AVN has 14 days to post a disclaimer clearly stating their website is anti-vaccine and that any information on the website should not be construed as medical advice.</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
For more detailed information go <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/07/12/avn-slammed-for-misleading-false-and-anti-vaccine-information/">here</a> and <a href="http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/announcements/featured-announcement/avn-hcc/">here</a>.</p>
<p>The McCafferys have posted a media release <a href="http://www.antivaxxers.com/?p=2242">here</a> where you can also find a statement from Ken McLeod who submitted the original complaint.<br />
&#8212;-</p>
<p>Seems like a slap on the wrist right? At first yes, but since the story has spread across the webosphere, an unexpected result has emerged and one that makes me very pleased indeed. (I even happy-danced with @skepticzone in Las Vegas airport yesterday, apologies if you had to witness it).</p>
<p>Everywhere across the media, the AVN are now being referred to as anti-vaccine. Australia’s anti-vaccine organisation, the anti-vaccination network, and asked repeatedly why they are anti-vaccine. Regular readers of this blog will shrug and say, yeah we already knew they were anti-vaccine Maggie, so what? But what you may not know is that many people, especially vulnerable non-science educated parents and the media <strong>did not</strong>.</p>
<p>Like the majority of anti-vaccine groups, the AVN have gone to great lengths to conceal their true beliefs from the public and especially the media – and the reasons why are obvious. Their rhetoric generally consists of “we are pro-choice”, “we want to empower parents to make a decision by providing both sides of the story”, “we provide a balance”, “we are pro-information, blah blah informed choice” etc. You know the drill.</p>
<p>And although it has been blindingly obvious to anyone who knows how to use teh internets, for many busy producers, journalists and the like, the AVN has been their first port of call for “balance” (or rather false balance) simply because they didn’t know any better. Well, never fear dear readers, things they are a-changing.</p>
<p>Even before the HCCC fallout, Meryl appeared to be concerned about the public perception of the AVN. In July 2009 (Yahoo! Group message # 44295) she wrote;</p>
<p><strong>“….While we are already seen as rabid, idiotic fringe-dwellers by so many in the mainstream, it does our argument no good at all to bring in conspiracy theories which, though we may subscribe to them, are unprovable…”</strong></p>
<p>But as they say, the truth eventually comes out and it seems the game is up for Meryl &#8220;I&#8217;m pro-choice&#8221; Dorey. Even the normally sympathetic morning television host Kerry Anne Kennelly, whose show consists largely of light entertainment and info–mercials, apparently asked Meryl twice why she was anti-vaccine.</p>
<p>In an email sent to her Yahoo Group, Meryl described how she had initially refused to appear on the show, eventually relenting under the condition that she was given 6 minutes to discuss the HCCC findings and that she was to have the questions ahead of time.</p>
<p>(Coincidentally the website <a href="http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=520210">6minutes</a> were the first to break the news of the HCCC report and wrote a less than flattering piece about the AVN).</p>
<p>But according to her email the questions were changed;</p>
<p><strong>“Turns out not one of the questions they read to me last night was actually asked and kerri anne asked me twice why we were anti-vaccine!”</strong></p>
<p>Why the exclamation mark Meryl? I’ve mentioned this before, but remember when you appeared on radio to defend your Australian Skeptics Bent Spoon Award?</p>
<blockquote><p>Interviewer: “Which vaccines do you think are good then in Aust..?<br />
.</p>
<p>Meryl: “I think that all vaccines are up to the parents and…”<br />
.</p>
<p>Interviewer: “That wasn’t what I asked though was it. Which vaccines are good? This was the point I think the Skeptics were making is that you’ve never actually said, which vaccine is worthwhile, which scientific designed vaccine is good, worthwhile.<br />
.</p>
<p>Meryl: “It is not, it is not my role, nor is it the role of the Australian Vaccination Network to tell anyone what to they should or should not do when it comes to vaccination…”</p></blockquote>
<p>Blah blah blah, rhetoric, rhetoric, deflecting the question. (You can hear the full audio <a href="http://www.antivaxxers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/meryl-dorey.mp3">here</a>).</p>
<p>But c&#8217;mon, I&#8217;m just being a big meany. And afterall this is only one example. And as a scientist I require repeatable results. Oh wait a sec..</p>
<p>In an email sent to the AVN Yahoo! Group on Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:08 pm Message #36449 Meryl wrote:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;There will come a time &#8211; I pray to God that it will happen in my lifetime &#8211; when those who have pushed vaccines upon innocent, helpless babies &#8211; doctors, pharmaceutical companies, government officials &#8211; will be proven to have lied and cheated these instruments of death into our children&#8217;s bloodstream. When that occurs, the outcry will be heard around the world and there will not be enough hiding places on the globe for these murderers to hide or enough money to pay for compensation. Of course, it will be too late for the babies, like this poor child, to be saved. But we will be able to take satisfaction from the fact that never again will anyone have to be pushed to poison their child because for once and for all, it will be known as poison and we will all wonder how it was we fell for the vaccine lie for as long as we did&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p>Does that sound like a pro-choice message to you?</p>
<p>Or how about this one? The t-shirts they sell on their website say;</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Love them, protect them, never inject them&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p>And another; Yahoo! Group message #44295 sent Thu Jan 14, 2010  9:24 pm</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;This is a sort-of off-topic question. I would like to donate to the efforts to help in Haiti but I don’t want ANY of my money going towards vaccines so that red cross and Unicef are out. Does anyone know of an organisation doing work on the ground there helping without vaccines?&#8221;</strong><br />
(Thanks to Scott Lewis and Podblack for alerting me to this one)</p>
<p>From a quick perusal of the blogosphere parents and babies’ blogs are also starting to cotton on. Mia Freedman who blogs at Mamamia, writing &#8220;<a href="http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/07/vaccinations-where-are-you-getting-your-information.html">A website of deception</a>&#8221; described her reaction as she watched the Lateline story;</p>
<p><strong>“I watched the report with tears in my eyes and my jaw dropped somewhere near the floor. Tears for the McCaffery family whose baby Dana died of whooping cough at only 32 days, and dropped jaw for the extraordinary cruelty and misleading dogmatism of the Australian Vaccination Network.”</strong></p>
<p>Since then the story has been lodged with news aggregator AAP, meaning it will soon be distributed even further. And so far, every story I have seen refers to the AVN as antivax. Here are just a few of the headlines I have collected:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anti-vaccine group rapped for false information<br />
.<br />
Anti-vaccine group accused of harassing parents<br />
.<br />
Top doctor backs disclaimer for anti-vaccination site<br />
.<br />
Warning order for anti-vaccine website</p></blockquote>
<p>So not only are parents finding out that the AVN has not been completely truthful about their agenda, they also harassed the parents of a 4 week old baby who died from complications associated with a vaccine preventable disease. </p>
<p>Pro-tip: this is unlikely to endear you to parents Meryl. Just saying&#8217;.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen the <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/07/13/lateline-report-on-damning-hccc-findings/">Lateline piece</a>, DOET NOAW. It is a thoroughly researched and sensitively compiled piece by award winning journalist Steve Cannane (insert fan-girl squeeing here).</p>
<p>In addition, Meryl was totally <a href="http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/immunization-getting-the-right-advice/20100713-108zw.html">pwned on radio 2UE</a> where she was asked repeatedly why she was anti-vaccine and tried to avoid the question by saying the AVN does not tell parents what to do, but simply offer the &#8220;other side of the story&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Interviewer: “Are you medically qualified Meryl?” “What on earth gives you any sort of qualification to make any informed comment on this at all..”<br />
.</p>
<p>Meryl Dorey: “20 years of research”<br />
.</p>
<p>Interviewer: “Well, 20 years of research? Well big deal, give me a break, please.”<br />
.</p>
<p>“You’d know a guy called Andrew Wakefield? Do you guys still support him?&#8230;..he was struck off the UK medical register…”<br />
.</p>
<p>“What qualifications do you have to disagree with the HCCC here in Australia and the UK medical registry? All of a sudden what you are saying is far superior that what these two credible worldwide organisations are?”</p></blockquote>
<p>Man, it is refreshing to see the credulity gone from the media with respect to the AVN. Only a few months ago, they were unquestionably called upon to offer the “other side of the story” (in other words, false balance) to the vaccine “debate” (there is no debate – the risks from contracting a disease far outweigh the risks of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine).</p>
<p>But, I gotta hand it to Meryl, she is nothing if not consistent. That is, consistently wrong and consistently dogmatic. She continues to wheel out the canards like the incidence of communicable diseases fell before vaccines were introduced, whooping cough notifications are at their highest levels despite equally high levels of vaccination, Big Pharma Shill, conspiracy, vendetta, septics, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>*Boom*</p>
<p>That was the sound of Meryl’s head asploding. And the AVN&#8217;s house of cards crashing down.</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
Congrats to Ken McLeod for compiling the HCCC complaint and to everyone who submitted supporting material along the way and to the HCCC for carefully considering and responsibly ruling on the complaint. To Stop the AVN for all their hard work, all the other bloggers and tweeters who have constantly kept the pressure on, and to Steve Cannane for the brilliant story on Lateline.</p>
<p>Lets keep slamming that oyster shut. One day it might get permanently jammed.</p>



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		<title>AVN slammed for misleading, false and anti-vaccine information</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[After a lengthy investigation the Health Care Complaints Commission (HCCC) have finally handed down their findings into the Australian Vaccination Network (AVN).
The commission concluded that the AVN provide misleading information about vaccination and must post disclaimers on their website clearly stating they are anti-vaccination.
The report found evidence that the AVN misleads readers by using reliable [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a lengthy investigation the Health Care Complaints Commission (HCCC) have finally handed down their findings into the Australian Vaccination Network (AVN).</p>
<p>The commission concluded that the AVN provide misleading information about vaccination and must post disclaimers on their website clearly stating they are anti-vaccination.</p>
<p>The report found evidence that the AVN misleads readers by using reliable and peer reviewed literature but selectively quotes from it, often in contradiction to the conclusions or findings of the studies. The AVN also gives non-peer reviewed and anecdotal material the same authority as peer-reviewed literature.</p>
<p>Ms Dorey responded to these accusations by saying:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;It is true that often times our information will contradict the conclusions of studies. This is because, as opposed to most doctors and government officials, we actually read the studies&#8230;that disconnect (between the data and conclusions) can be explained by the financial links between the study&#8217;s researchers and the companies whose products are being studied&#8230;This is not selective reporting, it is accurate reporting.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Wow, talk about a disconnect. Firstly, it&#8217;s the old Big Pharma conspiracy theory again. When you got no evidence to support your claims, its time to roll out the Big Pharma Shill canard. *Yawn*</p>
<p>But this is interesting &#8211; she claims to have actually read the studies? This was not the impression Todd Sidwell gleaned when he <a href="http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/blog/the-truth-behind-the-avn-claims/">analysed</a> one of Meryl&#8217;s responses to the HCCC a few months back. Unless she intended to copy/paste mistakes, which were traced back to whale.to and other anti-vax conspiracy websites.</p>
<p>From Tom&#8217;s article: <strong>&#8220;At best she hasn’t read the papers she cites and includes them out of ignorance, and at worst she is being deliberately deceptive – and I spelled this out very clearly in the analyses I sent to the HCCC.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/blog/the-truth-behind-the-avn-claims/">The Truth Behind the AVN Claims</a> for the full details</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>The complaint, authored by Ken McLeod, included accusations such as:</p>
<p>• The AVN claims to support “informed choice” but only provides information designed to dissuade people from vaccinating</p>
<p>• State on their website that there are links between vaccination, autism, Crohn’s disease irritable bowel syndrome and shaken baby syndrome</p>
<p>• Cherry picking data to suggest that Gardasil has killed young women</p>
<p>• Bacterial meningitis has increased since the introduction of the meningococcal vaccines</p>
<p>• Autism is caused by mercury in vaccines</p>
<p>• Vaccination is unnecessary since homeopathy can be just as effective</p>
<p>• Misrepresenting the facts surrounding the death of Dana McCaffery and harrassing her parents</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<h4>The AVN are considered Health Care providers under the public health act</h4>
<p>This case was somewhat of a test for the HCCC, since it was not immediately clear if the AVN even fell under the HCCC legislation. Initially the Commisssion had to establish if the AVN could be classified as “health care providers”.</p>
<p>Mrs Dorey had this to say;</p>
<p><strong>“The complaint alleges that both the AVN and myself are “health service providers” because we are providing “health education services to the public” for the purposes of the health care complaints act 1993…Neither the AVN or Meryl Dorey are health care practitioners as the term is generally understood colloquially or have we ever claimed to be.”</strong></p>
<p>Yet the commission disagreed with this, noting “the provision of health education was evident” on their website and also “Mrs Dorey participating in pregnancy discussion groups and in lecturing at universities” did indeed constitute health education.</p>
<p>Even more embarrassing for Dorey was her own constitution which stated the purposes of the AVN were “the advancement and promotion of education and learning amongst the public”.</p>
<p>Plus, the legislation is quite clear about the definition of a health care educators/provider, nothing &#8220;colloquial&#8221; about it. Yet, despite the Commission findings and the fact that she <em>lectures at uni</em>, Dorey still denies they are considered health educators. From the Lateline report;</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;We do not agree that the HCCC has jurisdiction over us and we have been saying this from the very beginning and we are seeking legal advice over this issue.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>She now claims to be seeking legal advice on this caveat, despite the fact that she has already had 12 months to do so? Odd. <strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p><strong>&#8212;-<br />
</strong></p>
<p>The Commission focussed cheifly on the issues raised by Mr McLeod and Mr and Mrs McCaffery in relation to the AVN website. Here they examined the post “10 reasons why parents question vaccination” which consists of such statements as “vaccines have never been tested”, “vaccines contain toxic additives and heavy metals” and “vaccines do not necessarily protect against infectious diseases”. They asked Mrs Dorey to provide evidence for these claims.</p>
<p>The Commission analysed references provided by Mrs Dorey and noted many were not relevant to her claims, she was guilty of cherry picking or omitting data to support her claims and other information was demonstrably false.</p>
<p>Of note is her citation of an article about Gardasil from Natural News. com &#8211; yes <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/01/a_pyromaniac_in_a_field_of_straw_man_or.php">that guy</a> &#8211; where she omitted paragraphs to reinforce the claim that the vaccine had been linked to deaths in young women.</p>
<p>On other vaccines the report stated; “The AVN has selectively quoted information to suggest vaccination against meningococcal disease has been ineffective when there is <strong>no evidence of this</strong>”.</p>
<p>And “The AVN claims that vaccination is linked with a range of long term side effects however has provided <strong>no evidence to support this</strong>”. (My emphasis)</p>
<h3>The AVN is anti-vax and must declare this on their website</h3>
<p>The Commission has recommended that The Australian Vaccination Network include an appropriate statement in a prominent position on its website which states;</p>
<p><span style="color: #800080;">1. The Australian Vaccination Network’s purpose is to provide information against vaccination in order to balance what it believes is the substantial amount of pro-vaccination information available elsewhere<br />
2. The information provided should not be read as medical advice<br />
3. The decision about whether or not to vaccinate should be made in consultation with a health care provider</span></p>
<p>If the AVN fails to comply the commission will issue a public statement. Of course we had hoped the HCCC could have done more to limit the dissemination of false information by the AVN, but at least the resulting media coverage will shine some light on the true nature of the AVN.</p>
<p>Surprisingly, in her own response to the Commission, Meryl Dorey in fact admitted to being anti-vaccination, stating there is a need to provide an alternative to mainstream vaccination information.</p>
<p>According to the final report:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;In her response to the commission Ms Dorey conceded that provides anti-vaccination information. Ms Dorey stated there is a need to provide information about vaccination, alternative to that disseminated by the government.&#8221; </strong></p>
<p>No longer can Ms Dorey hide behind &#8220;we are not anti-vax we are pro choice&#8221; which has always been her public persona.</p>
<p>Meryl has already issued a press release stating that the report constitutes an “outrageous attack”; “the threat to freedom of speech and the implications regarding loss of medical choice inherent in this decision make this an issue that cannot go unchallenged”. Interestingly, all references to skeptics with a capital &#8220;S&#8221; (thereby inferring Australian Skeptics) have been removed and replaced with Stop the AVN and their supporters.</p>
<p>The story has also been reported on 6 minutes <a href="http://www.6minutes.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=520210">here</a> which contains a link to the full article as a pdf.</p>
<p>There is already a comment from Age of Autism UK editor John Stone, the same website who recently referred to the action as &#8220;<a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/07/health-fascism-in-australia.html">fascist</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>UPDATE #1</p>
<p>Apologies for any errors in the initial post, I am currently at TAM8, and am suffering from severe sleep deprivation! Plus, the post was written between the hours of 2 am and 5 am Las Vegas time (yawn).</p>
<p>Since then, I have had 4 hrs sleep and made some changes, plus others have now blogged the story.</p>
<p>See the story on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tciApImhI&#038;feature=player_embedded">YouTube</a><br />
Podblack has a report <a href="http://podblack.com/2010/07/lateline-investigation-of-the-avn-now-on-youtube/">here</a><br />
ABC news has a related story <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/12/2951629.htm">here</a><br />
Orac <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/07/health_fascism_in_australia_the_anti-vac.php">chimes in</a><br />
<a href="http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/anti-vaccine-group-rapped-for-false-information/story-e6frea8c-1225891358212">Adelaide Now </a><br />
<a href="http://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2010/07/14/avn-cops-flak-from-watchdog-hccc/">Northern Star</a><br />
Mia Freedman&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/07/vaccinations-where-are-you-getting-your-information.html">Mamamia</a><br />
Immunisation &#8211; getting the right advice <a href="http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/immunization-getting-the-right-advice/20100713-108zw.html">audio on 2UE</a><br />
The World Today <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s2952217.htm">Top doctor backs disclaimer for anti-vaccination site</a><br />
<a href="http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/warning-order-for-antivaccine-website-20100713-108nq.html">AAP story</a> from Danny Rose</p>



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		<description><![CDATA[I just received this article from Australian Doctor via my mate the Jelly Bean Lady.
Dodgy devices to be regulated  	25-May-2010  	By Michael East
THE manufacturers of shonky devices used by alternative therapists to carry out what they claim are diagnostic tests will soon have to provide clinical evidence that they work under new Therapeutic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just received this <a href="http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/articles/e3/0c0699e3.asp">article</a> from Australian Doctor via my mate the Jelly Bean Lady.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dodgy devices to be regulated  	25-May-2010  	By Michael East</p>
<p>THE manufacturers of shonky devices used by alternative therapists to carry out what they claim are diagnostic tests will soon have to provide clinical evidence that they work under new Therapeutic Goods Administration regulations.<br />
.</p>
<p>The changes, which will be introduced in July, are in response to growing concerns about the number of in-vitro diagnostic devices employed by alternative therapists.<br />
.</p>
<p>Among the products advertised on the internet is the “Hemaview”, which, according to its manufacturer, uses one or two drops of blood projected onto a video screen to diagnose “nutritional deficiencies, organ dysfunction and certain biochemical imbalances”.</p>
<p>Director of the Alfred Hospital’s department of haematology Professor Hatem Salem said users of the device were “pulling the wool over people’s eyes”.<br />
.</p>
<p>“The notion that one can diagnose all sorts of ailments by examining a drop of blood on a video screen is both ridiculous and plain stupid.”<br />
.</p>
<p>Currently the TGA is only able to regulate diagnostic devices included on the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods, including those that test for HIV and hepatitis C, as well as those used in the home.<br />
.</p>
<p>However, many of the in-vitro diagnostic devices used by alternative therapists have been exempt from scrutiny because they are not considered medical devices.<br />
.</p>
<p>From July the makers of all in-vitro diagnostic devices will then be required to show clinical evidence that their products work but will have four years to fulfil the new requirements. They will also have to make clear to the public the potential risks of the devices.</p></blockquote>
<p>.<br />
I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m sceptical. Required to show clinical evidence? To whom? Unfortunately the TGA does not have a very good track record of policing things like this.</p>
<p>Remember the homeopath who made all sorts of outrageous claims about magic water as a substitute for vaccination? Fran Sheffield of Homeopathy Plus! simply didn&#8217;t agree with TGA findings that her claims were misleading, so chose to ignore a ruling to remove such material from her website. And in an example of laughing in the face of the law, the day after she was exposed on <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2867990.htm">ABC1&#8217;s Lateline programme by Steve Cannane</a>, she jumped the shark.</p>
<p>In a post entitled; <strong>&#8220;Lateline: Can homeopathy safely protect against epidemic and infectious diseases? Can homeopathy treat serious diseases such AIDS and cancer?&#8221;</strong> she went even further, claiming that water could safely treat AIDS and cancer.</p>
<p>So, whilst I applaud this legislation in principle, how does the TGA, or other relevant health authorities plan to police it?</p>
<p>I regularly attend the Mind Body Spirit/Wallet Festival in Sydney where there is a plethora of snake oil salesman using Hemaview and collecting money hand over fist from gullible clients. It’s a perfect set-up; let us diagnose you with some allergy or somesuch and then when I reach over here, I have a bucket of powder for the special price of way-too-much which will fix you right up!</p>
<p>In NSW in 2008, <a href="http://skepticzone.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/regulating-the-unregistered/">legislation was introduced to regulate unregistered health practitioners</a>, that is, those who are not already represented by a regulatory body like doctors or dietitians. Section 17 of the <a href="http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Information/Information-for-Unregistered-Practitioners/Default/default.aspx">Code of Conduct</a> states that a health practitioner must display the code and a document that gives information about where clients can complain to the Health Care Complaints Commission (HCCC) if necessary.</p>
<p>I have dutifully trotted off to the MB$ four times now, will my code clutched tightly under my arm and as yet, I have not once seen the code displayed. It’s now become a bit of a joke between my friends and as such, we have nick-named our futile search “Code of Conduct Bingo”.</p>
<p>This “festival” had enough quackery and snake oil to start a factory. (As an aside, one also has to wonder how much of the takings are declared to the tax department at the end of the four day love in). Make no mistake, a large amount of cash is collected, when you count up the magic scalar energy infused Fusion Excel Pendants for $150-$200 (available from Alibaba.com <a href="http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/308952704/Fusion_Excel_Quantum_Scalar_Energy_Pendant.html">for 6 bucks a pop</a>) or the $45 for a 20 minute reading with a psychic (queues last week extended half way across the exhibition hall). Or the dangerous and useless ear candles, which you can buy wholesale for 20 cents a pop, or pay about 15 bucks for three at the MB$ (after you pay your 16 bucks to get in). Or how about a $60 Power Balance Bracelet (available from Alibaba.com for <a href="http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/310661523/power_balance.html">between 50 and 80 cents</a>).</p>
<p>In the two years I have been attending, I have not been aware of any representatives from relevant health bodies lurking around – this doesn’t mean they are not there of course. It would hardly make sense to walk around declaring your identity if you wanted to catch people in the act.</p>
<p>But certainly, I’ve been mistaken for such as person, at a Hemaview stand in fact. A colleague and I were asking for published evidence for the statement “clinically tested” which was splashed all over their stand, when the pamphlet he was holding was rapidly snatched out of his hand and the previously helpful assistant demanded, <strong>“are you Doctors?? Why do you want to know?&#8230;ARE YOU FROM THE TGA?”</strong></p>
<p>Thou doth protesteth too much methinks.</p>
<p>It becomes very difficult not to lose your temper with these people, particularly when you know they are blowing it out their arse.</p>
<p>The first time I was exposed to a Hemaview/Live Blood Analysis person at the MB$, I was carefully shuffled away by my friend as my voice began to break and my ears to steam. It took him a good 10 mins to calm me down from the tidal wave of bullshit that had passed over me. You see, as a scientist I knew the terminology spewing from the representatives gob was real, but the deceit of peppering sciencey sounding words into a spiel about woo, to make it sound legitimate was too much for my science educated brain. She was right when she observed, just before I was escorted to the nearest corner, that I had been “affected by what she said”.</p>
<p>It’s just it was not in the way she presumed.</p>
<p>Another time at another Hemaview stand, I was with a nurse colleague when we were surreptitiously moved on with a nod the boss man. I guess he had twigged we were onto their profitable little scam.</p>
<p>It is interesting nonetheless, to observe the way woo-purveyors react to being challenged on their claims. After a fair bit of experience, I’ve come up with a theory. The ones who get angry and ask you to leave, are probably knowingly deceiving the punters. You might call them frauds or con men. The ones who genuinely try to answer your questions, even if their explanations are completely implausible and off with the fairies, are probably genuine, even if they are deluded.</p>
<p>It’s a bit like the psychics who spot you in the crowd, knowing who you are, and point out there are a lot of fake psychics here today.</p>
<p>I’M DEFINITELY NOT A FAKE, but look over there – he is!!!</p>
<p>So, personally, I am not confident this new legislation with have much of an impact of the alternative medicine industry. And it also seems odd that they are given four years to comply. Why so long? One thing is for certain though, the addition of legislation designed to clean up the industry will lend it unwarranted legitimacy. Imagine how happy snake oil purveyors will be to declare that their quantum energy box has been approved by the government.</p>
<p>The TGA is failing the Australian public. It&#8217;s a disgrace.</p>



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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today it was revealed that the AVN will be investigated by the New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commission for breaches of the Public Health Act of 1993.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today it was revealed that the AVN will be investigated by the New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commission for breaches of the Public Health Act of 1993.</p>
<p>Meryl Dorey issued a statement as part of their newsletter;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The complaint alleges that both the AVN and myself, Meryl Dorey are &#8220;health service providers&#8221; because we are &#8220;providing health education services to the public&#8221; for the purposes of the Health Care Complaints Act 1993 (NSW).</p></blockquote>
<p>Meryl claims that; <strong><em>&#8220;Neither the AVN nor myself Meryl Dorey are health practitioners as the term is generally understood colloquially nor have we ever claimed to be&#8221;</em>.</strong></p>
<p>Well that maybe so Meryl, but this is not about whether you &#8220;colloquially&#8221; perceive yourself to be a health service provider. There are in fact laws in NSW which define practitioners, and it seems to the me that both the AVN and Meryl Dorey could well fall under this jurisdiction.</p>
<p>Below is the relevant section of the Code of Conduct defining a health service provider, released in August 2008 by the Health Care Complaints Commission.</p>
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<p>I think it is quite reasonable to interpret the lectures, seminars and webinairs conducted by the  AVN as &#8220;health education services&#8221;, even if the information they disseminate is deluded and verging on dangerous.</p>
<p>The complaint has been thoroughly and diligently prepared. I urge you to check out the entire document in pdf form <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/COMPLAINT-to-HCCC-1.pdf">here</a>. Below is an excerpt from the AVN newsletter released today.</p>
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