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		<description><![CDATA[I had reason to be flicking through the pages of Living Wisdom magazine tonight (the publication of the AVN) for a little light research. Tweet Odd that this should happen really, since I often get accused of not reading what the anti-vaxers have to say. This couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth. In additional to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had reason to be flicking through the pages of Living Wisdom magazine tonight (the publication of the AVN) for a little light research.</p>
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<p>Odd that this should happen really, since I often get accused of not reading what the anti-vaxers have to say. This couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth. In additional to the tripe on the Facebook pages, the forums, the mailing lists and comments on news articles, I have perused the information pack for <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/01/19/i-object-to-this-reading-material/">conscientious objectors</a>, flicked through Living Wisdom and looky over there &gt;&gt;&gt; a copy of Callous Disregard by Andrew Wakefield.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more than I suspect they do with respect to research. Although, Meryl Dorey says she reads papers about vaccination but apparently comes away with completely different conclusions to the authors, making the exercise rather futile.</p>
<p>Indeed, the recent HCCC investigation concluded that whilst the AVN may cite peer-reviewed research, they quote selectively from it, often in contradiction to the conclusions or findings of the studies themselves.</p>
<p>Ms Dorey explained this discrepancy with the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It is true that oftentimes, our information will contradict the conclusions or summaries of the studies. This is because, as opposed to most doctors and government officials, we actually read the studies and frequently, the summary and conclusion does not agree with the raw data itself&#8230;..Many times, that disconnect can be explained by the financial links between the study&#8217;s researchers and the companies whose products are being studied. So, whilst the AVN does frequently draw different conclusions to those printed at the end of these articles, it is because our analysis of the data shows that the printed conclusions do not correspond with the raw data. This is not selective reporting &#8211; it is accurate reporting.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Raw data. It doesn&#8217;t mean what you think it means Ms Dorey. And the financial links? Oh course, the old shill canard again. When you &#8216;aint got nothin&#8217; else.. (and you don&#8217;t know <a href="http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/blog/the-truth-behind-the-avn-claims/">how to read papers</a>).</p>
<p>The AVN have been in oodles of trouble lately, the most recent being for multiple breaches of copyright associated with selling material on their website without permission. Which is funny, because one of the things I came across in the information in Living Wisdom was their permission to reproduce policy:</p>
<h4>&#8220;Whilst reproduction and dissemination of the information found in Living Wisdom is actively encouraged (unless otherwise stated), it is <strong>expressly forbidden</strong> for anyone to reproduce any of this information for the <strong>purpose of profit</strong>&#8230;&#8221;</h4>
<p>My emphasis. </p>
<p>Which directly contradicts the reason they were recently in strife &#8211; for selling other authors&#8217; material on their website, without permission.</p>
<p>An <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/copyright-breaches-land-group-in-trouble-20100831-14fna.html">article</a> from the Sydney Morning Herald describes:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;an anti-vaccination group is under fire for allegedly breaching copyright laws by selling newspaper and medical journal articles online without permission from the authors.</strong></p>
<p><strong>The packs, which were selling for up to $128, included home-made books filled with articles photocopied from journals around the world, information on drugs taken from MIMS, the medical guide used by doctors and nurses, and copies of brochures inserted in medication boxes by pharmaceutical companies.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Under the Copyright Act, articles can be copied for personal research or for use by students but cannot be disseminated widely or sold.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>In response, Meryl said she was &#8220;unaware she had breached copyright&#8221;. This is despite the fact that she is listed as the editor of Living Wisdom and therefore probably wrote the policy. Even if she didn&#8217;t, one would think it is part of her job to understand copyright restrictions as the editor of a magazine for more than a decade.</p>
<p>But the duplicity of the AVN is something we have come to know well. This is a recent screen capture from their website.</p>
<p><a title="couple of years ago by scepdoll, on Flickr" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/scepdoll/5054244022/"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5054244022_596a88c797.jpg" alt="couple of years ago" width="500" height="168" /></a></p>
<p>So it appears Meryl knew about some of these copyright rules &#8220;a couple of years ago&#8221; at least.</p>
<p>One wonders if the authors contacted by the Sydney Morning Herald decided to take any action against the AVN given some might be owed a nice wad of booty. Based on the AVN&#8217;s permission to reproduce policy, they themselves would be joining a queue to recoup any lost funds. So what&#8217;s good for the goose is good for the gander right?</p>
<p>Oh wait, except when you&#8217;re a bunch of hypocrites.</p>
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		<title>Media coverage of the impending collapse of the AVN</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, Meryl Dorey, President of the AVN announced the group would close its doors &#8220;on or near February 28th&#8221; citing monetary issues as the primary reason. This week, after several emails pleading with her members to step up and donate, or at least pledge to donate, she sent out an e-newsletter where she outlined [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last week, Meryl Dorey, President of the AVN announced the group would <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/02/07/have-we-seen-the-last-of-the-avn/">close its doors</a> &#8220;on or near February 28th&#8221; citing monetary issues as the primary reason. This week, after several emails pleading with her members to step up and donate, or at least pledge to donate, she sent out an e-newsletter where she outlined what has been a tough year for her and the AVN.</p>
<p>In it she explains that;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Approximately 12 months ago, an unremitting campaign of harassment began with a complaint filed by an anonymous complainant against the AVN with the Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing (OLGR)&#8230;.This whole situation came to a head about 7 months ago when a complaint was filed against both the AVN and myself with the HCCC. &#8230;.there have been an unending string of complaints filed against both myself and the AVN every time I’m on either the radio, TV or in newspapers. Without fail, the media will receive complaints stating that they should not be interviewing someone like myself who is not only anti-vaccine (in their words), but under investigation to boot!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>and;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The people who are behind these attacks are, in my own personal opinion, totally without morals and ethics.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>For a complete and delicious take down of this special pleading email, please head over to @fuzztwin&#8217;s <a href="http://www.antivaxxers.com/?p=1624">post</a>, which precisely and thoroughly destroys her public baa-ing.</p>
<p>The post you see at the top of this blog was the hard-copy version of the article, which also appeared in the online edition of the Daily Telegraph under the headline; &#8220;<a href="http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/anti-vaccination-group-to-collapse/story-e6freuy9-1225830689187">Anti-vaccination group to collapse</a>&#8221; (which I like much better as you might have guessed).</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/anti-vax-collapse.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3108" title="anti-vax collapse" src="http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/anti-vax-collapse.jpg" alt="anti-vax collapse" width="608" height="676" /></a></p>
<p>Naturally Meryl was very disappointed in this article, telling her email group that;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I knew I could count on Kate Sikora and the Daily Telegraph to get it all wrong &#8211; even when the information was provided to them in writing. One has to wonder how much pharmaceutical advertising the Daily Telegraph takes in every day and whether that would have any influence on the anti-choice, anti-science stance taken by papers such as the Telegraph?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>(Zing! Big Pharma shill accusation)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The people on Australia are done a great disservice by this article and by the Telegraph&#8217;s continual refusal to allow science-based data on the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines to be published.&#8221; (1)<br />
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<p>Funny that, I thought it was quite accurate. What was interesting was that according to the article:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Contacted twice for comment yesterday, Ms Dorey referred <em>The Daily Telegraph</em> to her email.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>So she opted to not even speak to the journalist.</p>
<p>The comments also make for some interesting reading. I&#8217;ll bet Meryl would have preferred the one below didn&#8217;t get approved, especially since she is desperately trying to shake off the conspiracy theory tag which has recently stuck to her.</p>
<blockquote><p><cite><strong>Boldarn of N.QLD </strong> <em>Posted at 10:36 AM February 16, 2010</em></cite><br />
As corporate and government lies are exposed increasingly , NWO advocates are panicking and attacking anyone who does not go along with their fascist rules . The mandatory fluoridation of all drinking waters is an important tool of globalists , as it effects the pineal glad ( gland for free thinking ). A fluoridated population is less likely to question anything and is easier to &#8220;manage&#8221; as NWO policies are rolled out over once free nations . Vaccines play a huge part in Agenda 21 &#8211; the NWO population control plan .Good on ya , Meryl Dorey , for your great effort an work ! Please contact me , I am also an activist &amp; would like to send you my free poetry for your use . Peace &#8211;Boldarn</p></blockquote>
<p>I also liked these two;</p>
<blockquote><p><cite><strong>stewart cooper </strong> <em>Posted at 7:49 AM February 16, 2010</em></cite></p>
<p>Gee, I didn&#8217;t know Dick Smith had research level medical qualifications? Do people really listen to this self appointed know all? Witch hunting is alive and well in medieval NSW.</p></blockquote>
<p>the response being;</p>
<blockquote><p><cite><strong>Tom c of Sydney </strong> <em>Posted at 9:53 AM February 16, 2010</em></cite></p>
<p>Gee, I didn&#8217;t know Meryl dorey had <a href="http://scepticsbook.com/2010/01/05/a-lesson-in-the-importance-of-unbiased-proof-reading/">research level medical qualifications</a>? Do people really listen to this self appointed know all? (Hyperlink, mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps Meryl has lost her trust in the media. Maybe because they have ceased taking her information on face value and are beginning to realise she is not someone they should be consulting on issues of vaccine effectiveness and safety. Maybe Meryl&#8217;s time in the spotlight is drawing to a close.</p>
<p>Still, with the results of two complaints with the HCCC and the OLGR auditing the AVN this week, there are likely much more serious things for her to deal with.</p>
<p>If you missed the interview that I did with Ian Woolf from <a href="http://www.diffusionradio.com/2010/02/dr_rachie_vs_antivax_and_dsm_p.html">Diffusion Radio</a> about the AVN and their impending downfall you can listen to it online <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/diffusion2010-02-15">here</a>.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>(1) Message # 42231, sent Monday February 15th, 2010 11:53 pm</p>



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