He wants 2.5 million dollars to market snake-oil.

Precious metals nanowater? The panel is unimpressed. “Is there insanity in there?” Watch to see them kick him off the set, by calling him “offensive”, “crazy” and “disgusting” when he claims to be able to cure cervical cancer and leukemia.

Thanks to Chris for the tip-off.


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  • Paul

    “Do you believe all babies, even thought most are unlikelt to contract it, should be vaccinated with Hep B at birth?”

    It might be worth mentioning that there is no known animal reservoir for hepatitis B. This means that vaccination should be able to eliminate it completely, just like smallpox. As about a million people die of this disease every year, this would probably be a good thing.

  • @naehutch

    Missed one!
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    Do you believe all babies, even thought most are unlikelt to contract it, should be vaccinated with Hep B at birth?
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    The reason they’re unlikely to contract it is because of the very vaccine you’re questioning, isn’t it? Yes, I do.

  • @naehutch

    I don’t know how helpful these answers will be, as your questions are rather grandiose. Nevertheless…

    Do you believe that Pharmacuetical companies are honest, enthical, fair and care for your health and well-being?
    I wouldn’t say that about any company. A company is just an arrangement of people. To the last point, though: the job of a company is not to ”care“ for your well-being. That’s up to you and the people in your life. As a rule, I don’t think pharmaceutical companies callously and maliciously disregard their consumers i.e. there’s no conspiracy.

    Do you believe that all drugs are worth the side effects?
    Can’t say that I know what all drugs are, nor their side effects. Provided the patient is aware of the possible side effects, and makes an informed decision I don’t see a problem. I think it’s a personal choice of weighing up original ailment vs possible side effects. In most cases, I’d say, the POSSIBLE side effect/s won’t be worse the ailment the drug treats.

    Do you believe that herbal treatments are worthless? If no, which ones are ok?
    No, but I’m more likely to trust something that has been proven to work (a.k.a medicine). Also, there are side effects from herbal treatments too, don’t forget. Can’t say that I agree with herbals in lieu of medication in serious/life threatening cases though.

    Do you believe organic food is a waste of money and a scam?
    Personally, I don’t choose to buy/consume it, but I haven’t looked into it enough to say whether it’s a scam.

    Do you think pharmacuetical companies and reseacrh scientists will find a cure for cancer?
    Well, some science fiction tends to disagree, but I’d like to think that it’ll one day be a reality.

  • “Do you believe all babies, even thought most are unlikelt to contract it, should be vaccinated with Hep B at birth?”

    No, they should be vaccinated with several glasses of merlot, dissolved lightly in a large glass brick.

  • a) I don’t think any company is completely honest, ethican, fair, or cares for peoples health & well being.
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    b) I don’t believe all drugs are worth the side effects. However a side effect is nothing more than an effect other than the goal effect. There is nothing we intake which has a single solitary effect, everything has multiple effects it’s just that for many things the effects other than the one intended are so mundane and normal they’re not worth mentioning/noticing. To claim something has no side effects what so ever (as alt medders claim) is to claim it has no effect.
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    c) No, herbal treatments are not worthless. They have active ingredients which mean they have effects, and side effects. The problem with them is that the active ingredient is not as well controlled as they are in conventional medicine. They also regularly have other ingredients which may be detrimental. The drugs side of conventional medicine came about purely out of controlling the dosages more accurately and removing the alternate ingredients. It grew out of a refining of herbal medicine. Choosing herbal is nothing more than taking a backwards step.
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    d) All food is organic. However what is generally marketed as “organic” food isn’t any more nutritious or tastier than what isn’t marketed as organic. Just look up all blinded tests on the produce. “Organic” foods are treated with fertilisers and pesticides that despite being “natural” are actually more damaging to the produce and the environment than standard fertilisers and pesticides.
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    e) One day, sure, I don’t see why not.
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    f) Why not? If they’re not then the number of possible carriers increases, if someone does get it it will be more likely to spread faster. If all babies are vaccinated the ability for it to spread is greatly reduced.

  • Bob

    That was simply painful. Unlike US TV, where the presenters would either mock the guest or (worse) credulously nod and smile or even promote the nonsense (hello Oprah!), there’s some real common-sense, skeptical outrage on display.
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    The guest may be a true believer in colloidal silver or whatever macguffin he’s hawking, but it doesn’t change the fact that offering false hope and a placebo for profit is ethically reprehensible. I wonder if this poor man ever reflected on the consequences of being wrong about his product. At least in mainstream medicine, there are clinical trials and independent reviews which benefit both the researcher and the public; there is an enforced process of reflection. It’s not perfect, but unlike alt-med, it does a pretty damn good job of showing both the safety and efficacy of treatments, thus keeping out the cranks. Even “brave maverick” doctors & scientists need evidence of their claims.
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    Still, it was painful watching this poor crank get slagged in public. Better that than catering to his delusions.

  • scep dick

    Oh and one more question;

    Do you believe all babies, even thought most are unlikelt to contract it, should be vaccinated with Hep B at birth?

  • scep dick

    Can I ask a kind of personal question (or several)? You can say no or just not answer! Anyone can answer too!

    Do you believe that Pharmacuetical companies are honest, enthical, fair and care for your health and well-being?

    Do you believe that all drugs are worth the side effects?

    Do you believe that herbal treatments are worthless? If no, which ones are ok?

    Do you believe organic food is a waste of money and a scam?

    Do you think pharmacuetical companies and reseacrh scientists will find a cure for cancer?

  • This is your decision to make, after consultation with your doctor, your family, and doing your own research if you wish. I am not a clinician – so I can not give you advice. The only advice I can offer is to make sure you make a decision based on treatments for which there is evidence for the treatment working. It is up to you if you want to take an aspirin for a headache, but perhaps you prefer to wait for it to go away by itself. Up to you.
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    Talk to your doctor, get a second opinion and make a decision on what makes you comfortable.

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    Personally, I would not mess with cancer. High blood pressure can kill, but then lifestyle changes can drastically improve this.
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    I like to think of it like this; when I have a plumbing problem, I call a professional plumber. As such, when I have problems with my health I see a qualified doctor.

  • scep dick

    So what makes you one situation different to another? When can the body heal itself and when can it not? A headache? Athritis? High blood pressure? Cancer? Who makes that decision?
    Do you give the body a chance to try to heal itself or immediately turn to drugs if the mainstream says the body can’t heal itself of whatever you’ve got?

  • @scep dick, I should also add that when the body is incapable of healing itself, this is when drugs are beneficial, e.g., chemotherapy.

  • @scep dick, I agree, as I said in my reply, he does not claim it heals cancer etc. I was only pointing out that one must be wary of people using the word “heal” when it comes to things such as what he was demonstrating.
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    Unfortunately some people (and to reiterate, he is not necessarily one of them) do take advantage of people who are very ill, to claim their magic potion or special machine has “healing” powers.
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    I don’t doubt it helped the Dragon get through cancer, on an emotional level, and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as it does no harm.
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    Of course sceptics and scientist and doctors believe the body is able to cure/heal itself – this is the function of the immune system, which has evolved over millions of years to fight disease.

  • scep dick

    I think that’s where this particular Dragon was coning from. The young guy never claimed it helped heal cancer or the like. He did say that it could help us heal ourselves. Does this count as woo? Do sceptics believe that the body has the ability to heal itself or the only the thing taht works is drugs?

  • @scep dick,

    hmm, well it’s a nice sound and might be good if you lie down and close your eyes, but nothing more. The only problem with this kinda “woo” is when people make claims about it “healing” terminal diseases such as cancer. He does not make such claims here, unlike the other guy who was offering cures for incurable diseases (which by the way is illegal in New South Wales, Australia – not sure where you are based).

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    To me, this is a fine line, since some of the Dragons do say it helped them with cancer. If my Mum had cancer and was receiving science based treatments as well as this, then I might accept it. When it becomes dangerous, is when people only use this stuff, abandoning treatments for which there is evidence of efficacy such as chemo, radiotherapy and surgery.

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    This guy may appear harmless, but he may end up inadvertently causing harm, purely because his “treatment”, “therapy” or “healing” (whichever you prefer to call it) does nothing.
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    You can find lots of examples of this over at What’s the Harm.

  • scep dick

    I want to share this one with you
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tTfPXQnJaQ&feature=channel
    ‘Higher Vibration Holistic Healing’
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    Its about a guy wanting money for his ‘woo’ business. Two of the Dragons actually had a personal story about how energetic healing, crystals etc helped them on their journey of healing.
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    You might get something out of it….or you might not
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    He scored $5500 anyway

  • Ilijas

    What can one say to someone who’s just had the biggest dressing down of his life…. sucked in!

  • It’s a show called Dragon’s Den on CBC (the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation). Good stuff there.

  • Mary

    The show is called the Dragon’s Den. It is a Canadian show aired on Wednesday nights. The potential investors on the panel are always straight forward with their thoughts. They can, at times, seem a little unkind to presenters who do not have good products and/or well developed business plans. However, this is the only time I have seen them so outrightly disgusted by what someone was trying to do.

  • That was inspiring. For a split moment I felt sorry for him, because he may well believe his own bullshit, but then – so what? The panel summed it up pretty well, either he’s crazy or he’s disgusting… and either way, he’s offensive.

    What show is this? They deserve kudos.

  • Ken McLeod

    Glad to see a charlatan get the boot. The man was illiterate, (“indegestion”, “prostrate”)and claimed he knew what he was talking about. It’s a pity more snake-oil salesman are not treated with the contempt they deserve.

  • That was awesome. At first, I was concerned that the panel seemed to be considering his product, but apparently they saw right through it immediately. Wow, a whole group of rational thinkers!

  • Thanks to the folks who made this video for showing this jerk the door.

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  • It’s about time more con artist started getting this treatment.

  • Catherine L Donaldson

    wow! i see why everyone was commenting with that now. Excellent work Dragon’s Den

  • Bill

    Good for them. If only the authorities had the guts to say the same to all ‘alternative’ medicine quacks, lives would be saved.

  • This was a great video, I used to watch Dragon’s Den on Foxtel(English Version)but havent seen it for a year or two.I loved how they dispensed with this salesman very swiftly,they could have humoured him and gave him hope,I’m glad that they didn’t.Well done.

  • “Indegestion”? Ouch!

  • Mr Wainscotting

    Nice.